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TxFire
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yeah it's not lights, BUT this is off-topic right!! 
Anywho...Ford diesel owners...what years were the bad years for the 6.0 motors??
I have found a few Fords with the 6.0 I was looking at and just wondering. Years ranging from 2003 to 2005 I am looking at.
Also, what kind of fuel mileage can I expect?? They are 3/4 ton, 1 is a 4WD and the other not. Both autos.
I'll never get the mileage my Dodge was getting...but I'm scared to get another Dodge.... |
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SNOW SYSTEMS
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| I just picked up a 05 f-250 4x4 6.0 powerstroke with 38,000 miles for 18,500. The truck market is down. The 03-04 had a lot of problems with the EGR. 05 and up are safer. I think you get about 12-13 miles city and more highway. |
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SCTRAFCOP
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I had a 2004 F250 4x4 with the FX4 package & 6.0 engine and I never stopped having problems. It had low miles so I wrongly assumed it would be ok. The powertrain was still under factory warranty the entire time I had the truck but I had to pay a $100 deductible every time it went in for warranty work. After spending $400 in deductibles for oil leaks over a 6-month period, I gave up and sold the truck. It kept springing oil leaks from various places, I had hoses popping off and fittings working loose- it was a mess.
Every time I would take it in and complain to the service manager at the Ford dealership about the turnaround time on service, he would tell me that there was nothing he could do, because all the 6.0 diesels they made were "bad engines." It was pretty telling to have the service manager downing his own product. In addition, our county fleet-manager has said that 6.0 was a terrible engine (it's in a lot of our older ambulances). I would steer clear from any Ford diesel 2003-2007 if it has the 6.0. I've been told the 7.3L that was used until mid-2003 was the best engine Ford had used in a long time, and also got far better fuel mileage than the 6.0. The new 6.4L is supposed to be decent, but it probably hasn't been out long enough to develop any big issues. On my 6.0. I was getting 11mpg in town and 13-14mpg highway.
I have a Chevrolet 2500 diesel now, and so far so good. Only time will tell. If you're set on ford I'd look into a 7.3 liter- perhaps an '02 or '03. They are definitely good-looking trucks. |
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SwbcVFD09
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| Posted: Tue 19-Aug-2008 18:24 Post subject: Re: Ford diesel owners.... |
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yeah it's not lights, BUT this is off-topic right!!
Anywho...Ford diesel owners...what years were the bad years for the 6.0 motors??
I have found a few Fords with the 6.0 I was looking at and just wondering. Years ranging from 2003 to 2005 I am looking at.
Also, what kind of fuel mileage can I expect?? They are 3/4 ton, 1 is a 4WD and the other not. Both autos.
I'll never get the mileage my Dodge was getting...but I'm scared to get another Dodge.... |
DONT DO IT The 6.0l are the worlds worst motor ever created. Killeen Fire Dept has sued Ford Motor Company and they are replacing them with DODGES!!! |
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SNOW SYSTEMS
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| A lot of people hear things and then believe it. The 6.0 is not that bad of a motor. Its just they had problems with the EGR on the early models. If your getting a good deal go for it. Shop around and let the truck find you. If your in no hurry to buy, wait for the right deal to come around. If you keep up with your maintance your truck should take care of you. I wouldnt want a durajunk. The cummins is great but a dodge truck is not. A ford is a work vehicle. |
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SCTRAFCOP
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| Posted: Tue 19-Aug-2008 19:25 Post subject: Re: |
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| SNOW SYSTEMS wrote: |
| A lot of people hear things and then believe it. The 6.0 is not that bad of a motor. Its just they had problems with the EGR on the early models. If your getting a good deal go for it. Shop around and let the truck find you. If your in no hurry to buy, wait for the right deal to come around. If you keep up with your maintance your truck should take care of you. I wouldnt want a durajunk. The cummins is great but a dodge truck is not. A ford is a work vehicle. |
I agree that people will occasionally believe what they hear, but when it happens to you, and to the 9th degree it becomes an inescapable truth. I babied my truck from day-one and had nothing but problems. I had recurring EGR issues, U-joint issues, and not to mention most seriously that it bled oil from various places like a stuck pig. If the engine were different, it would be a different story. My truck didn't take care of me- it left me without a vehicle to drive time and time again. When one pays $50,000 for a vehicle, more should be expected out of it.
Perhaps Ford perfected the 6.0 engine in later years, but from personal experience and the first-hand experiences of a handful of people around me with the '04 F250/350/450- I would strongly discourage anyone from buying that truck. I also agree that Dodge is probably not the answer, save for the Cummins engine that is! I wish I could put a Duramax or a Cummins engine in an F250-- then I'd be good to go! ...Good looks AND durability!
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I have an '05 I bought new with the 6.0L. Two minor problems, one boost tube, one injector, both quickly fixed, aside from that no issues. I have 72k on it now, been getting around 16mpg per tank, 12 when towing ~6k.
I'd stay away from anything before '05. Early '04s, and '03s had the most problems.
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SCTRAFCOP
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I'd stay away from anything before '05. Early '04s, and '03s had the most problems.
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You make a good point. Anytime a manufacturer rolls at a new production model it's probably going to have some issues. The 6.0 was released 2003.5. Perhaps after a few years they worked out the kinks. |
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usdemt
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| Posted: Tue 19-Aug-2008 21:06 Post subject: |
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All years of Fords are bad trucks 
Sorry Ford Dealer I had too
My $.02 stick with the Dodge. Two words . . . Lifetime Warranty. |
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C420sailor
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| Ours ate a turbo. Got it replaced, hadn't had a problem since |
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DaveCN5
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The only things to watch out for are the Turbos and the EGR temps. Our entire town uses Fords for FD, EMS, Highway department, Park & recs, etc. Out of the fleet we have prolly between 30-40 6.0L's all different years. We only have problems with one truck and that truck keeps burning through turbos. To be honest, the 6.0's are hit or miss. They're either great engines or they suck. There's no inbetween. It's a risky chance anything prior to '05 (which is hard for me to say considering I'm a die hard Ford man).
However, if you can find a 7.3L in good condition, you better be on that like a fat kid on birthday cake. |
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rabidjade
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| My friend's dad put 165,000 on a 05 6.0 PS. Two others put over 100k on each of their 6.0 PS's. This is all hauling hay, cows, or other ranch/farm stuff and not just putting around town as grocery getter. All three haven't had one issue outside of standard maintenance. |
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HILO
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I just picked up a customers 2005 6.0 from the dealer, which is its 5th time in for 6.0 engine problems.
If you can swing the down time, they are not bad trucks to get. Obviously the engine has serious issues as Ford got out of the engine in 3 years, and every 6.0 has a warranty for engine trouble up to 100,000 miles with a $100 deductable. If there wasnt anything wrong with the 6.0, Ford would not have dropped it, nor would they have created the deducatable warranty.
The truck I just picked up cost $100 to have the Valve cover gaskets, crankshaft bolts and sensor, and egr valve replaced.
Before it was egr valve and downstream tube. befor that it was turbo, twice.
We have a 2005 F350 King Ranch as a shop truck, and have had no trouble wit it, and it is plenty fast. But we know it is just a matter of time.
The AC is also a problem, and is not covered by the deductable warranty. The computer will not engage the fan clutch until the high side is way to muc, then the compressor blows. So a new ac system will run $1200 average.
Persoanlly I wouldnt take the chance, even though I enjoy driving the shop truck. |
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Phillyrube
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All years of Fords are bad trucks
Sorry Ford Dealer I had too
My $.02 stick with the Dodge. Two words . . . Lifetime Warranty. |
I disagree....had a Dodge V10, started to run rough. Dealer said it was a head problem, and the history of the engine shows it had heads replaced twice, and the oilpan dropped once. Why pull the oilpan, especially on the 4 wheel drive version, which requires dropping parts of the front suspension? Piston replacements? I decided not to put another 3K into a bad engine, so sold the truck at a loss.
I replaced it with a 2003 Ford F350 dually, 7.3 ltr engine, 152,000 miles. Consistent 17 mpg on the road with a 10,000 lb load. Oil analysis shows negligible wear.
The Duramax is a good engine, coupled with that bulletproof Allison transmission. Dodge has the Cummins engine, another winner, but not sure on the transmission.
Buy a used 7.3, if you can find a decent fairly low mileage one (less than 200K miles). |
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SNOW SYSTEMS
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| Posted: Wed 20-Aug-2008 19:01 Post subject: Re: |
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| If there wasnt anything wrong with the 6.0, Ford would not have dropped it, nor would they have created the deducatable warranty. |
Ford did not drop the 6.0 |
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Firefighter_2000
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| Posted: Wed 20-Aug-2008 23:22 Post subject: 6.0 |
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Our ambulance service had two of the 6.0 p/s (piece of $#it NOT power stroke). They did some figuring a couple of months back, and one has spent 59% of the time since it was bought NOT in service and the other has spend 56% of the time NOT in service. I also know of one fire department who ended up getting their rescue remounted due to problems with the 6.0. The ambulance service in LR, which has over 40 trucks I believe (GRFD, correct me if Im wrong) and they're in the process of switching to Chevrolet chassis with the duramax due to probs with the 6.0... As is the service I work for.
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Mr. Plow
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I have 2 ford diesels
2005 F350 - town 14 mpg, hwy 17 mpg
2005 Excursion - town 15 mpg, hwy 19 mpg.
No problems with either truck. Compared to the 7.3, the 6.0 has more power and better mpg. |
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| For some reason the county likes fords. Our district truck, which responds to almost any call on the west side of the county, shredded the turbo yesterday on the way to an electrocution. I am a chevy guy and I dont ever see myself buying any other diesel than a Duramax. I like Cummins is great but the Dodge transmissions are a FAIL. Oh and just an FYI, if you see a new Silverado or Sierra with a Duramax dont get close to the exhaust! The new cats they put in the exhaust system cause the temp to go into the multi-hundreds range, so unless you like having a melted front bumper stay back a few feet. |
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HILO
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| If there wasnt anything wrong with the 6.0, Ford would not have dropped it, nor would they have created the deducatable warranty. |
Ford did not drop the 6.0 |
Well, your right actually, they took that crappy computer controled hunk of jumk, bored it, called it a 6.4 and light the tail pipes on fire! Then, because Chevrolet didnt think about making more G3500's, Ford took 6.0 back stock and shoved 'em in that funky looking E350.
But seriously....Ford knows they have a serious problem with the 6.0.
Why else make this magical deducatble warranty? Almost every ambualnce association in the US has a law suit against Ford, a class action suit. Because of the engine.
The 7.3 was a workhorse. The 6.0 is good for civilian use, or light duty. But make it work, all day, every day, it freaks out. All becasue of the computer. But it is cheaper for Ford to do the warranty and pay dealer techs than to admit defeat and completly change the PCM and BCM. |
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