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markkoss
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 Posted: Thu 19-Jun-2008 15:57 Post subject: New lights for finnish police vans |
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Check this out... There are coming more and more of these...
Here an old style lightbar but now with leds:
(pics from www.fireimages.net, (c) Ledi/4023) |
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MEVS06
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| Posted: Thu 19-Jun-2008 17:35 Post subject: |
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kool, we have some ambulances that look like the first 2 pics, i think they look kind of off like that. just my opinion
joe |
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Station 3
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| Posted: Thu 19-Jun-2008 17:45 Post subject: |
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I think i have seen some of those ambulances in Mexico they are pretty cool i like them.
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RoninExec
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| Posted: Sat 21-Jun-2008 13:47 Post subject: |
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Why red light in the front ?
You are probably the only country in Western Europe allowing red in front. Blue is primary emergency color everywhere else.
What is the history behind this red light? |
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C.B.L. International
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| Posted: Sat 21-Jun-2008 14:07 Post subject: |
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| It could be a inferred emitter for nighttime surveillance. |
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cell2solutions
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| Posted: Sat 21-Jun-2008 14:25 Post subject: |
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| I believe it is used to signal in your rear view mirror you have to stop / pull over.... |
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markkoss
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Location: Helsinki, Finland
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| Posted: Sat 21-Jun-2008 14:25 Post subject: Re: |
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| RoninExec wrote: |
Why red light in the front ?
You are probably the only country in Western Europe allowing red in front. Blue is primary emergency color everywhere else.
What is the history behind this red light? |
Red light: stopping light. It means that if the police wants to stop someone from behind, they put both blue and red lights on, but if they are just on a emergency run they use blue only. So blue is the primary emergency color, and vehicles of some authorities like customs, border guard and police may have these stopping lights to the front. I think some Spanish units use red lights too, i have seen them somewhere on a catalogue maybe. Estonia uses them, too. To the rear a hand held sign is used like by the germans. On vans the light is mounted on the bonnet, like seen in the picture, and in newer vans they are on the dash on the drivers side, as seen in the other picture. Sedans have them mounted on the light bar and unmarked cars have them with a blue strobe or halogen light behind the grille. I saw a cool combination where it was behind the VW tag on an unmarked van.
Here a sedan:
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markkoss
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| Posted: Sun 22-Jun-2008 14:42 Post subject: |
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| As I was thinking yesterday about red stopping lights, I realized that quite a few countries in europe use nowadays a single red to the front to stop vehicles: At least Finland, Sweden, Germany, Estonia and Spain use them. I personally think that it is a better solution than a LED sign, because those signs to the front usually are just for STOP POLICE only, same as the red light and the light is probably even better visible especially at undercover vehicles when the led display is mounted on the sun visor and sun is shining on it. |
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RoninExec
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I see. Thanks for shedding some light (  ) on this matter for us ! |
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crzycop
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| Posted: Sun 22-Jun-2008 18:07 Post subject: |
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ohhhhh
We will call this the california steady red experiment 
I have an idea......maybe a CTS bar with clear lenses blue par 36 bulbs and the par 46 will be red just for finland
And for the record I just could not bring it to myself to pull over for the VW van..... I wouldnt evade it... I would just wait for a REAL police car to get behind me ...... J/K |
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Fronteradriver
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| Posted: Mon 23-Jun-2008 03:43 Post subject: Nice roofline construction! |
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Hello,
I've seen these vehicles as ambulances as well. Ambulance Mobile(?)
I personally like the integrated sleek look of the roof line. We had a few sprinter ambulances around here, which has a similar lightbar construction.
Who produces the actual electronics in the bar? Probably Hänsch Germany?
Best regards, Ruud-Peter |
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cell2solutions
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| Don't think they are Hansch, the roof housings come from Sarco I believe - and they are Fed Sig dealers...... |
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wooter
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Looks like two rows of Sputnik modules.
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cell2solutions
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| That's the one.... beat me too it |
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EFFP411
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| Posted: Mon 23-Jun-2008 05:58 Post subject: |
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| The ambulances that i have seen in the states with the smooth integrated lights lights like that are Demers, made in Canada. They are usually on Ford chassis. I personally have never worked in one, but i have only ever heard good things. They handle very well, and you don't get the whistle/hum from an external lightbar. Besides that, a Van police unit is a rare sight here in the US, minus maybe paddy wagons, or DOT units that the NYSP have... |
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Fronteradriver
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| Posted: Mon 23-Jun-2008 07:42 Post subject: Vans as patrol cars are very common in the EU |
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Vans as police patrol cars are very common in the EU.
In the Netherlands, they are used for all kinds of jobs, ranging from surveillance (2 persons in vehicle), to arresting and transporting prisoners to the police station. VW T4/T5 and Mercedes Viano are often used.
Normal patrol cars are smaller overhere than in the States. We don't have any CVPI, Impalas or Chargers  . Normally just basic small euro saloons like Ford Focus/Mondeo, VW Golf/Touran.
There are a few exeptions to the rule, which is for instance the police along the coastline (i.e. Nissan Patrol), in the Hague, where armoured version of the Mercedes G-Class and VW Toureg are used or Schiphol airport (military police have high powered armoured Toyota Landcruiser VX)
Regards, Ruud-Peter Lemmens |
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RJ
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| Posted: Mon 23-Jun-2008 10:32 Post subject: Re: |
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| crzycop wrote: |
ohhhhh
We will call this the california steady red experiment
And for the record I just could not bring it to myself to pull over for the VW van..... I wouldnt evade it... I would just wait for a REAL police car to get behind me ...... J/K |
It's not a steady red, but flashing red.
In short: flashing blue lights in your rearview mirror mean: "We're in a hurry! Get out of the way!"
Flashing blue with flashing red: "We want YOU! Pull over and stop!"
And not pulling over for a van... well, you might lose your tires to a stinger before you see a "real" police car. We have more vans than cars. (But you would get to see the cage in the back... from the inside.) |
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crzycop
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edited for correction of off color comments
Last edited by crzycop on Mon 23-Jun-2008 11:25; edited 1 time in total |
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Pat H.
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| Posted: Mon 23-Jun-2008 10:40 Post subject: Re: |
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make it a steady red..... 
hmmmm ok ok if you're going to not play fair and break out the stingers I will stop so I dont go to jail and see your version of bubba and his stinger.  |
He is not in California. Also, please keep your comments/replies in the forums on the topic. Thanks. |
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markkoss
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| Posted: Tue 24-Jun-2008 09:34 Post subject: Re: |
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ohhhhh
We will call this the california steady red experiment
And for the record I just could not bring it to myself to pull over for the VW van..... I wouldnt evade it... I would just wait for a REAL police car to get behind me ...... J/K |
It's not a steady red, but flashing red.
In short: flashing blue lights in your rearview mirror mean: "We're in a hurry! Get out of the way!"
Flashing blue with flashing red: "We want YOU! Pull over and stop!"
And not pulling over for a van... well, you might lose your tires to a stinger before you see a "real" police car. We have more vans than cars. (But you would get to see the cage in the back... from the inside.) |
The cages are really small. I had the pleasure to sit in one (no, I wasn't arrested, it was at an exposition  ) and with my 6'6" I had to bend my neck quite hard to fit in there. I wouldn't like to sit there while the car is moving... If I remember correct they didn't have seat belts back there? RJ, do you know if more such new vans are planned to be distributed in the near future or are those just trial vehicles? |
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RoninExec
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You are slowing down Bro... |
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MarkClements
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About Whelen lights? JK... |
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Kung Fu Hustle
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| The ambulances that i have seen in the states with the smooth integrated lights lights like that are Demers, made in Canada. They are usually on Ford chassis. I personally have never worked in one, but i have only ever heard good things. They handle very well, and you don't get the whistle/hum from an external lightbar. Besides that, a Van police unit is a rare sight here in the US, minus maybe paddy wagons, or DOT units that the NYSP have... |
i think EAS runs them. they are slick, a little crampy inside. |
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Medic
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| Posted: Sun 29-Jun-2008 13:37 Post subject: Re: Nice roofline construction! |
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| I personally like the integrated sleek look of the roof line. We had a few sprinter ambulances around here, which has a similar lightbar construction. |
I also like those built-in lights. Our ambulances (designed by Visser, Netherlands) are equipped with those - looks better than a lightbar mounted on top...
One of our Mercedes Sprinter ambulances
Mercedes 270/280 ambulance ('Type IV') for long-distance hospital transfers
Video 1
Video 2
(Video quality is scaled down due to YouTube publishing, sorry!)
We also run two ambulances ('Type III') with classical lightbars.
Here's a comparison of type III (right) and IV (left): > click < |
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René Foppes
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| Posted: Sun 17-Aug-2008 17:09 Post subject: |
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AMAZING to see those Dutch ambulances in Austrian service!
Those were bought secondhand I guess? Our typical striping on emergency vehicles is speading slowly throughout Europe |
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