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J. Thompson Administrator Joined: 27 Aug 2005 Posts: 3347 Location: Houston, TX	Posted: Mon 14-Nov-2005 20:36    Post subject: Quote: Actually, from what I have understood; they are available with 6, 9, and 12 leds. Not just 6 & 12. I forgot about the 9 LED version. I was going off memory from seeing the literature a couple of days ago, and remembered there were so many options for these little lights. Went back and re-read the literature and found some pricing for these. A pair of them is quite expensive for the high-powered ones. Hopefully they will have numerous ones on display this coming Sunday in Austin, and I can make a pretty objective evaluation on what I see.
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Insider Manufacturer Representative Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 143 Location: Gilbert, AZ	Posted: Mon 14-Nov-2005 21:37    Post subject: Quote: As far as the statement to \"full light intensity to over 45 degrees\" - take a look at your own site -it's all over it. Here http://www.tomar.com/products/tled/tled.htm is one. You got me there! If you check it again you'll see it's been changed. The picture posted above does show how outstanding the optics are. But, as you can see, there is a main intensity of light that spreads across the middle but not quite 45 degrees. Then there is a very intense flood of light that definately spreads out to 45 degrees and beyond, but this could not be considered \"full intensity\" since the inner band of light is clearly brighter. I hope you can see from this that TOMAR wants to shoot straight with you. You can call TOMAR on something and if we agree we'll change it. James: TOMAR will be in booth 215, to the far left as you enter near Austin/Travis County EMS. I understand they will have a Blade and several of the new RECT-25 LED's on display. Would you like for me to arrange a exhibits pass for you? The Insider Last edited by Insider on Mon 14-Nov-2005 22:25; edited 1 time in total
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sycamorefireandsafety Banned user Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 193	Posted: Mon 14-Nov-2005 21:39    Post subject: The distance was a good 100 yards. The picture you see is a 6LED model, which right now we have a special on for 199.99 for 2!!! That is cheaper than 1 6LED RECT25 at retail price! The 12 LED model produces about the same effect on the wall. I wouldn't recommend buying the 12 over the 6s for brightness if you are just purchasing them in sets or to have grill lights or something. I would, however, recommend that if they are put in a light bar to have a mixture of the 6,9 and 12 LEDs. The only difference I have found it distance that you are blinded by the light...literally. They all put out the same amount of light up to about 1 mile. The light that you could see reflecting off of the concrete wall is very consistent with most LED bars, however, this was not an LED bar...it is only one (1) mini segment! The demo is impressive and so is the product, and if you want me to take any other pics to answer some of your questions, just e-mail me and I'd be happy to meet your needs. I'm not sure if any other dealer is able to produce the prices that we do. Hit me up if you have any questions/comments or would like to purchase these amazing products ...we take visa, master card, and american express.
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sycamorefireandsafety Banned user Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 193	Posted: Mon 14-Nov-2005 21:44    Post subject: Re: [quote=\"Insider\"] Quote: As far as the statement to \"full light intensity to over 45 degrees\" - take a look at your own site -it's all over it. Here http://www.tomar.com/products/tled/tled.htm is one. That would be the T-LED...not the RECT25. Two totally different products and optic systems.
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J. Thompson Administrator Joined: 27 Aug 2005 Posts: 3347 Location: Houston, TX	Posted: Mon 14-Nov-2005 21:46    Post subject: Quote: James: TOMAR will be in booth 215, to the far right as you enter near Austin/Travis County EMS. I understand they will have a Blade and several of the new RECT-25 LED's on display. Would you like for me to arrange a exhibits pass for you? The Insider If you could I'd be much obliged. If there are any pertinents (department info, etc,) that you need from me, just shoot an email and I'll get back to you in the AM, at the start of the business day.
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J. Thompson Administrator Joined: 27 Aug 2005 Posts: 3347 Location: Houston, TX	Posted: Tue 15-Nov-2005 11:11    Post subject: Quote: The distance was a good 100 yards. The picture you see is a 6LED model, which right now we have a special on for 199.99 for 2!!! Again, I'll ask the question, because it might have gotten overlooked previously. Was this version the High, Medium, or Low Power version? Also, what is the logic behind TOMAR offering the 6,9, & 12 LED RECT25 in the three different power settings? I have a pretty good idea, but I think it would help to spell it out for everybody else too. Also, would it be safe to say because of the dimensions of the light, and the type of LED technology that this is a direct competitor to the Whelen 500 Series Linear8? If so, just for S & G's I'd like to see a direct side by side of both lights in steady burn mode, doing the same as you have in the picture, in the future.
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Pat H. Administrator Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 9545 Location: Phillips County, Montana	Posted: Tue 15-Nov-2005 11:17    Post subject: He states above it was a 6 led; which I assume is the low power. If I understand correctly; the low power is the 6 led, med power is the 9 led, and high power is the 12 led. Either Insider or Sycamore, please correct me if I am wrong here.
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J. Thompson Administrator Joined: 27 Aug 2005 Posts: 3347 Location: Houston, TX	Posted: Tue 15-Nov-2005 11:24    Post subject: Re: [quote:31f05dab8f=\"Pat H.\"]He states above it was a 6 led; which I assume is the low power. If I understand correctly; the low power is the 6 led, med power is the 9 led, and high power is the 12 led. Either Insider or Sycamore, please correct me if I am wrong here. My bad & apologies. That appears to be correct. I must be suffering some age related memory issues or something Had to go back and re-read the literature, Again Still very impressive none the less. I can easily see finding an use for those lights somewhere in the near future

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Posted: Tue 15-Nov-2005 11:32    Post subject:
Pat is correct. The RECT-25 is available in the following configurations: Low Power (6 LED's), Standard (9 LED's), and High Intensity (12 LED's). It is also available with or without colored lenses, Black or Silver, and Flange mount or Rail mount. \"It's all about options, buddy.\" The Insider

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Posted: Tue 15-Nov-2005 13:08    Post subject:
Haha, I thought I was suffering from memory loss. I swore I had put it in there. O well. Let me know if anyone needs anything!

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Posted: Tue 15-Nov-2005 16:53    Post subject: Re: Dear Mark Y
[quote:db20b2cae4=\"sycamorefireandsafety\"]In my claim \" if the RECT25 is positioned 5 ft above the ground facing the ground, you can see the narrow beam the light puts out and measures over 10 feet wide and there is still more light that goes beyond the beam,\" you said that this was a \"plain lie.\"

No. That's not what I said.

I said that the claim of \"full intensity to 45degrees\" was a lie (or call it a \"generous statement\" if that makes you feel better). And yes, that was for the T-LED which is far worse off axis than the new linear models, so it's even more of a 'generous statement'.

What I think you're saying is that the light goes out to about 45degrees, as evidenced by your picture. Great. I have no issue with the fact that the beam is 10' wide when held 5' from the ground. Great.

Any idea if it's SAE J845 Class 1 rated? And, if so, to what beam angle?

Oh, and the \"full intensity out to 45 degrees\" claim is still on the website.

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Posted: Tue 15-Nov-2005 20:23    Post subject: Re:
[quote:4efe2b9fa3=\"J. Thompson\"]Had to go back and re-read the literature, Again

Is it just me, or is the Tomar site tough to read? This thread caused me to check out Tomar in a lot more detail than before, and it's not exactly the most complete....

Then I went to FedSig, and fell in love with their ILS product line. I mean, dayum. They list options, show drawings, have mounting brackets and install guides. Tomar's lacking the needed installer info and useful layouts of their kick-ass product line.

Or did I miss it?! Back to top    URL sycamorefireandsafety
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Posted: Tue 15-Nov-2005 22:28    Post subject:
I don't think Tomar is wanting to reveal too much about their products until they have a good presence on the market. You can find a lot of PDFs on the older Tomar Products on their site.

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Posted: Wed 16-Nov-2005 02:05    Post subject:
Um, right.... If your going to have a product out in a tight market such as this, your going to put out as much information about it as possible. If your reading lit (printed or otherwise) the one with the most info always gets a second look. No info? Into the garbage or bit bucket it goes. If they are not willing to show what their product can do, then its not good enough to buy it. Simple marketing. You don't spend millions in research to not market it \"just to test the waters\".

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Posted: Wed 16-Nov-2005 07:57    Post subject:
Quote: Oh, and the \"full intensity out to 45 degrees\" claim is still on the website. No. Quote: Any idea if it's SAE J845 Class 1 rated? Yes. http://www.tomar.com/products/iled/iled.htm Quote: This thread caused me to check out Tomar in a lot more detail than before, and it's not exactly the most complete.... Maybe your just missing it. Each time you click on a product to inspect there also is shown a window to the left that is titled \"Documentation\". In most cases (every website is a work in progress I suppose) every document TOMAR has on that product is available there in PDF form. Also, there is a \"Support\" link that lists most every document TOMAR has on each product. TOMAR wants to put everything on the website that would be useful. If you think something is missing, let them know. If there is something specific you are looking for, let me know and I'd be glad to direct you. The Insider

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Posted: Wed 16-Nov-2005 11:14    Post subject:
Look at a Toaster. You already know what it does and what it is for. How much documentation do you want? If you want more, stop complaining and contact TOMAR. I know for a fact that the documentation for the Blade is going to be a ways away (same with the RECT25) because they're have such a great success with it already. IF you don't test the waters, you don't ever know what works. TOMAR is testing the waters, and about to dive in! Last edited by sycamorefireandsafety on Wed 16-Nov-2005 16:01; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: Wed 16-Nov-2005 11:26    Post subject:
and with people like you on here giving away their trade secrets unnecessarily to the world.....their pool could get smaller. Good job! lol

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Posted: Wed 16-Nov-2005 12:20    Post subject: Re:
[quote:f757efb326=\"sycamorefireandsafety\"]Dodge is putting 1400 of them on 800 of their new Charger PI Demo Cars, and 600 on the Magnum PI Demo Cars all around the country.

Why in the world would a company need 800 or 600 demo cars? That seems kinda high to me. Back to top    URL Pj
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Posted: Wed 16-Nov-2005 12:52    Post subject:
How are you putting 1400 bars on 800 cars? Also, since when is there a New Mexico City Police Department?

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Posted: Wed 16-Nov-2005 12:55    Post subject: Re:
[quote:bdef18277a=\"Pj\"]How are you putting 1400 bars on 800 cars? Also, since when is there a New Mexico City Police Department?

On 800 Chargers and 600 Magnums.

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Posted: Wed 16-Nov-2005 13:06    Post subject:
just silly hype...

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Posted: Wed 16-Nov-2005 22:48    Post subject: Re:
[quote:08a935dcf2=\"Insider\"]TOMAR wants to put everything on the website that would be useful. If you think something is missing, let them know. If there is something specific you are looking for, let me know and I'd be glad to direct you.

So I see this cool new LED head -- RECT25. Looks incredibly bright, comes in flange mount and rail mount. That'd be like Whelen announcing their Linear8.

Whelen instead announces a Talon, a dual Talon, a split Talon, a Talon that wraps around the center brakelight, a triple Talon that mounts over the rear mirror. They have brackets and vehicle specific brackets and syncable units and standalone units. Tomar has none of this listed. (Well, some of it...they have a CVPI grill replacement which *might* use the RECT25. It's unclear.)

Counter that with FedSig's site. They have workup sheets of every variety of application -- want the high mounted rear ILS? Here's a sheet that lets you configure it, with MSRP pricing to scare you. Want a cool new lightbar? Here are some sample configurations.

That's the stuff I was looking for with respect to the RECT25 light -- vehicle specific information, sample configurations, brackets and mounting kit information. A dash light solution. A deck light solution. Back to top    URL Mark Y.
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Posted: Thu 17-Nov-2005 18:52    Post subject: Re:
[quote:e4ed1c392f=\"Insider\"] Quote: Oh, and the \"full intensity out to 45 degrees\" claim is still on the website. No.

Um... yes it is, in the link you provided below. I even did a CTRL-F5 refresh to forcibly reload the page.

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Quote: Any idea if it's SAE J845 Class 1 rated? Yes. http://www.tomar.com/products/iled/iled.htm

That says \"meets or exceeds J845\" but doesn't say what class or to what beam angle. Back to top    URL Pat H.
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Posted: Thu 17-Nov-2005 19:22    Post subject:
Mark, You mean this statement here?? iLED� Intelligent LED Series The TOMAR iLED� features a built-in single or dual element LED flasher lamp head, creating a completely self-contained warning lamp unit. The iLED� series features up to 32 user programmable flash patterns, synchronization control, and is available in many different lamp colors and configurations. The iLED� can easily be linked and syncronized to flash simultaneously with other iLEDs. The iLED� uses TOMAR's wide angle optics, which give a high intensity beam at � 45 horizontal degrees off axis, making the TOMAR LED the widest angle light in the marketplace! Meets or exceeds SAE J845 and SAE J1889.

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Posted: Thu 17-Nov-2005 22:20    Post subject:
Hi Dana Quote: That's the stuff I was looking for with respect to the RECT25 light -- vehicle specific information, sample configurations, brackets and mounting kit information. A dash light solution. A deck light solution. Those are all great ideas that I know are being worked on but they just aren't out yet. TOMAR can't show what they don't have. It's not like they are hiding something! You may have a valid criticism as to why doesn't TOMAR have those things available more quickly but that's a seperate criticism from the content of the web site. The RECT-25 is a brand new product that is quickly evolving. As that evolution progresses you will see more and more added to the web site. Quote: Um... yes it is, in the link you provided below. I even did a CTRL-F5 refresh to forcibly reload the page. I don't know why your browser is still showing the old copy but it has been changed. TOMAR believes that the new copy is valid, as do I. Thanks for the conversation! The Insider

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