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saw the new Tomar Blade today......
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| Mark Y. Frequent Poster Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1196 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada |
Oh, is that it? They changed the word \"Full\" to \"High\" ? I missed that little change. I thought they were just going to delete the line. You've seen these things at 45deg. \"High intensity\" is a pretty generous term for those iLEDs at that angle. Thanks for showing me the error of my ways, Pat. M |
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Administrator
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Location: Phillips County, Montana
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You lost me. I thought I was just copying what you were referring to.  |
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Turbo Poster
Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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Location: Louisville, KY
| Posted: Fri 18-Nov-2005 00:41 Post subject: |
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| I'm with Pat on this one.
Insider.. I don't even know what was changed now.. but if that single word was the only change.. 
If the change was more significant, and you have more dramatically altered the \"+/- 45 degree\" statement.. then it would seem the webmaster didn't overwrite or delete and replace the existing html page when the update was allegedly uploaded to the site because it still seems to make the exact same claim. All of our browsers are not incorrect. I've never even been to that specific tomar page so it cannot be a cache issue. |
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Manufacturer Representative
Joined: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 143
Location: Gilbert, AZ
| Posted: Fri 18-Nov-2005 10:18 Post subject: |
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| Gentlemen,
There is a big difference between \"full intensity\" and \"high intensity\". TOMAR agreed with Mark that \"full intensity\" is not correct. To be \"full intensity\" at 45 degrees would mean that the light intensity at 45 degrees is as intense or more so than staight on. That of course is not true. However, I've never had anyone who has seen the light for themselves disagree with the statement of \"high intensity\" at 45 degrees. I was demoing the Blade all day yesterday and at each demo brought the prospective customer to 45 degrees and pointed out how that you hardly lose any intensity at 45 degrees. Of course, \"full\" is an objective measure and \"high\" is a subjective measure but nevertheless correct in my opinion. Your opinion may differ and that's fine. Like I said earlier, that's what makes America great! Mr. Thompson will be seeing it himself on Sunday and he can come back and report. It's my opinion that you shouldn't listen to me or anyone else who has a financial gain to be had when it comes to subjective opinion. See for yourself, decide for yourself. TOMAR is not afraid to allow that process to occur. Eager for it in fact. Thanks again for the conversation! The Insider |
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Regular
Joined: 21 Aug 2005
Posts: 350
Location: Chesterfield, VA
| Posted: Fri 18-Nov-2005 13:00 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:266c72e5a7=\"Insider\"]Those are all great ideas that I know are being worked on but they just aren't out yet. TOMAR can't show what they don't have. It's not like they are hiding something! You may have a valid criticism as to why doesn't TOMAR have those things available more quickly but that's a seperate criticism from the content of the web site. The RECT-25 is a brand new product that is quickly evolving. As that evolution progresses you will see more and more added to the web site. | |
But, for example, Tomar lists the CVPI grill on their website. No real articulation of what LED, strobe or halogen products fit into the slot, nor even a sense of the cost. This apart from the lack of install guides (which I use to get a sense of my desire for a product -- for instance, I love the Whelen Talon that mounts around the center brake light, but the instructions cooled me off when they said \"Remove rear deck. Remove rear seat. Install light.\")
Manufacturer Representative
Joined: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 143
Location: Gilbert, AZ
| Posted: Fri 18-Nov-2005 21:48 Post subject: |
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| Dana,
Install guides are a good idea. I think there are lightbar install guides on the web sight but I'll see what I can do about putting the rest on line or finding out where they are. Thanks for your valuable suggestions! The Insider |
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Frequent Poster
Joined: 29 Aug 2005
Posts: 1196
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
| Posted: Sat 19-Nov-2005 15:47 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:7426efea0a=\"Insider\"]There is a big difference between \"full intensity\" and \"high intensity\". TOMAR agreed with Mark that \"full intensity\" is not correct. To be \"full intensity\" at 45 degrees would mean that the light intensity at 45 degrees is as intense or more so than staight on. That of course is not true.
However, I've never had anyone who has seen the light for themselves disagree with the statement of \"high intensity\" at 45 degrees. I was demoing the Blade all day yesterday and at each demo brought the prospective customer to 45 degrees and pointed out how that you hardly lose any intensity at 45 degrees. Of course, \"full\" is an objective measure and \"high\" is a subjective measure but nevertheless correct in my opinion. |
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Ok, thanks. A couple points here;
- the web page in question, which until we started this thread used to say \"FULL intensity at 45\" and now says \"HIGH intensity at 45\" is not referring to the Blade style LED modules, but it's on the iLED (doughnut lenses) modules. Thanks for changing the page, by the way. But , say what you want, but at 45 degrees those iLED lenses have a small fraction of full output. I'll be the first to admit the Blade-style modules have very good warning off axis, but the iLED modules...no. I would agree to \"high\" being accurate for the blade-style LED modules, yes.
- the majority of these kinds of discussions are subjective. This is why those of us who respond to lots of large tenders and such things insist on using SAE specs for an objective measurement. SAE J845, for example, always needs a Class and beamwidth expressed. For example, you cannot just say a light is \"SAE J845\" compliant. That's an incomplete statement. It like saying \"that Mustang does 150\". Is that mph or kph, or meters/second, or miles per day (or speeding tickets per 100 miles
)? Without the unit of measurement, it's a useless statement. Saying your light is \"SAE J845 Class 1 to +/- 45degrees\" is a full statement. Same with J1113 (5 different classes), and J595. If a light meets J1113 Class 3, I *know* I will not be having any radio frequency interference problems with it, for example. If the product either doesn't meet J1113 at all, or doesn't specify a class, it's a big red flag.[/b]
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Turbo Poster
Joined: 18 Aug 2005
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Location: Federal Plaza, Manhattan, New York County, NY, USA, Earth
| Posted: Sat 19-Nov-2005 17:10 Post subject: |
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| What I am curious about, is why 3 levels of lighting? In a bar such as this, I would think that it would be somewhat difficult for a buyer to accurately purchase the proper bar, or lighthead.
Also (unless I skiped it above) I think the descriptions can be misleading, especially the \"low current\" option (who wants to buy a low current bar for primary warning?  ). I think a better descriptions would be a bit better for the potentional customer. |
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Turbo Poster
Joined: 18 Aug 2005
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Location: Federal Plaza, Manhattan, New York County, NY, USA, Earth
| Posted: Sat 19-Nov-2005 17:11 Post subject: |
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| Oh, ment to ask, is Tomar planning at being at the New England Chief's show this summer? I don't believe I have ever seen them there. | |
Administrator
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Looking forward to coming up. I'll give you a ring once the future wife & I leave SATX and head up around noon. I will be trying to catch some short video clips on my camera on this and the RECT25, and will gladly email them to who wants to see them, plus up to date pictures of the bar here on the board. |
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| Posted: Sat 26-Nov-2005 00:45 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote=\"Pj\"]What I am curious about, is why 3 levels of lighting? In a bar such as this, I would think that it would be somewhat difficult for a buyer to accurately purchase the proper bar, or lighthead[quote]
Unfortunately the description is misleading. The low current (standard), medium, and high current are all about the same up to half a mile. After that, you can begin to tell the difference between the 3. I was amazed when I could see 1red and 1 blue high intensity rect25 at around 2 miles away (very flat road), with out a distortion of the red/blue color. Most products you get a vidid purple/pink. These held their color pretty well. They were held about 2 feet apart. M |
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Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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Location: AZ
| Posted: Mon 28-Nov-2005 17:08 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:a2ecc34525=\"J. Thompson\"]I will be trying to catch some short video clips on my camera on this and the RECT25, and will gladly email them to who wants to see them, plus up to date pictures of the bar here on the board. | |
I'm very interested in videos and pictures.
Thanks
Administrator
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Location: Phillips County, Montana
| Posted: Mon 28-Nov-2005 17:34 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:cbfcec7d7a=\"Niles\"][quote:cbfcec7d7a=\"J. Thompson\"]I will be trying to catch some short video clips on my camera on this and the RECT25, and will gladly email them to who wants to see them, plus up to date pictures of the bar here on the board. | |
I'm very interested in videos and pictures.
Thanks
He posted them here on the board already; last week. You will have to scroll down in the forum here and look for the posts.
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| Posted: Mon 28-Nov-2005 17:37 Post subject: |
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| I found a post with pictures but they no longer work, imageshack being the crap that it is. I did not find any videos. | |
Regular
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
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Location: Oregon
| Posted: Tue 29-Nov-2005 03:07 Post subject: |
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| now I am only speaking from one side of this, but the comment made about the LEDs in the Tomar being brighter than the Liberty bar, just raised my interest. The Liberty bar is extremely bright head on. Without seeing the Tomar Blade in person, it would be hard to judge, but hey, if its brighter than the Liberty, thats pretty impressive. As far as law enforcement use though, I would have to say, there comes a time when you need to consider the safety of passing vehicles. Looking into a single talon at night, for example, leaves you seeing little dots for a good five minutes. This is why I decided it was a good idea to put the dimmer switch into our switch boxes. I was also told by a whelen rep, that the only complaint they had on the liberty bar, was that it was too bright. Just my input though.. The tomar looks pretty nice in picture.. | |
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Location: Houston, TX
| Posted: Tue 29-Nov-2005 07:03 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:418622d645=\"Niles\"][quote:418622d645=\"J. Thompson\"]I will be trying to catch some short video clips on my camera on this and the RECT25, and will gladly email them to who wants to see them, plus up to date pictures of the bar here on the board. | |
I'm very interested in videos and pictures.
Thanks
Sent you an PM on this, but in case you don't get it or something. Shoot me an email, because I couldn't find one in your profile, and I will gladly shoot you over the pics and videos on the Blade. I only have pics of the RECT25's though.
Banned user
Joined: 09 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat 10-Dec-2005 02:11 Post subject: tomar pictures and video |
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| Please follow the link below to view the video of the TOMAR Blade during the night, daytime and dusk. The video shows the Blade on the dimmed setting. To see this product for yourself, please give us a call at Toll Free 800.463.0865 so that we can get a free demo set up for you. If you are interested in purchasing this product please allow 1-2 extra days as we are taking in a large number of orders.
The video was shot from 10:30am-11:50am and 4:30pm-5:45pm. It was slightly overcast, however I shot into the sun for the most part for the ultimate test. Great results! DISCLAIMER: The music is modern metal. www.sycamorefireandsafety.com Enjoy! |
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