Redesigned Predator II

Hugh A.

There has been a couple mentions of this today. Has Sound Off redesigned their predator II lights, now calling them Generation IV, or is this just a typo? I had never heard of this, but now that I am seeing it on www.fireoutfitters.com, it has me wondering. I thought the predator II of six months ago was plenty bright.

Doug (MD)

I don't know if they redesigned the P2 or not, but I'm none too impressed with them calling it a \"LED strobe\", so that kinda clouds their credibility in my mind.

See the descriptions for the Predator single & dual at http://www.fireoutfitters.com/dash.htm .

Hugh A.

They label all LEDs in their possession as LED strobes. I was in their store monday and wednesday, they seem to have a good grasp on the business to me.

JoeFF10

LSHLights (lshlights.com) is also selling the P2 w/ Gen4 LED's... Looks like Whelen fell behind, for now. . .

Hugh A.

That's ok. Whelen doesn't take a product that they've had out for a while, tweak it a little, then rename it a generation newer. Not that I can remember, anyway. I guess I should have looked at the predator when I was there Wednesday.

Jordan C.

[quote:6d777c1201=\"Hugh A.\"]Whelen doesn't take a product that they've had out for a while, tweak it a little, then rename it a generation newer.

Posted: Fri 25-Nov-2005 08:47 Post subject:

Actually, that's a very good point. I hadn't thought of that one.

Posted: Fri 25-Nov-2005 09:10 Post subject: Re:

[quote:7a7f62fc8d=\"Hugh A.\"]That's ok. Whelen doesn't take a product that they've had out for a while, tweak it a little, then rename it a generation newer. Not that I can remember, anyway. I guess I should have looked at the predator when I was there Wednesday.

Posted: Fri 25-Nov-2005 10:33 Post subject:

Yep, I believe the linear 12 heads are called 3.5's. I don't quite understand what determines a light head becoming a newer generation. Maybe someone can explain? I think whelen calling a completely different light and light head a newer generation is correct.

Posted: Fri 25-Nov-2005 16:10 Post subject:

To me, a change in the LEDs themselves would be reason to call them \"Gen 3.5 LEDs\", not the module themselves. The LEDs are the same as the ones that, for example, are in the Solaris modules. They are also the same as the ones in the Cudas. So what you're saying is that even though FedSig used the same LEDs, they should call the Solaris modules Gen 4 (or 5, or 6?) since the optics and housings have completely changed from the Cuda versions? I think the reality is that Whelen did that just to make it sound like the competitors are using older LEDs. I've had customers ask me \"only Gen3? Whelen is using Gen 3.5 now\". Customers don't know a Gen 1 from a Gen 3 generally, so an incremental increase to gen 3.5 is obviously going to confuse them, though it sounds like a big advantage.

Posted: Fri 25-Nov-2005 17:00 Post subject:

Sound Off has come out with a new light called a pilot series . They are like the predator and come in single and dual models . The single model uses the newer style predator (8 LED's) and the dual uses the older style (3 over 3 per head . The difference from what I see is the units are alot less expensive and have a different mounting bracket . They seem to be redesigned for the volunteer market . I just got the info in the mail the other day .

Posted: Fri 25-Nov-2005 21:43 Post subject: RE: The talk of Gen-4 LED's

To all you so called experts First of all, all LED's are still Gen-3, New versions of Gen-3 are comeing to play which are 3-Watt (ie as used by 911-EP) and soon to be used by all manufactures and then 5-watt. The 5-watt generates so much heat and requires a serious power supply that no company has been able to utilize the 5-Watt version due to this problem. The 3-watt LED's in a 3 per pod configuration will draw the same amperage as a 23-watt halogen light bulb. The prime difference in the GEN-3 LED's is the amount of Lumens the LED displays.

Posted: Sat 26-Nov-2005 21:38 Post subject:

Thank you, PJG, the self proclaimed expert on LEDs. Nothing like showing up on a board as a new member and acting pompous. Must make you feel special, eh? (that's canadian for right)

Posted: Sat 26-Nov-2005 21:51 Post subject: Re:

[quote:1d17fd2272=\"Jordan C.\"][quote:1d17fd2272=\"Hugh A.\"]Whelen doesn't take a product that they've had out for a while, tweak it a little, then rename it a generation newer.

Posted: Sun 27-Nov-2005 08:01 Post subject: Re:

[quote:847b40d0aa=\"Colonel\"]Dashking strobe -> Dashking GenII LED -> Whelen Talon (looks like same housing to me except dual talon is not stacked)

Posted: Mon 28-Nov-2005 16:28 Post subject: Re: RE: The talk of Gen-4 LED's

[quote:08d9b44824=\"PJG\"]To all you so called experts First of all, all LED's are still Gen-3, New versions of Gen-3 are comeing to play which are 3-Watt (ie as used by 911-EP) and soon to be used by all manufactures and then 5-watt. The 5-watt generates so much heat and requires a serious power supply that no company has been able to utilize the 5-Watt version due to this problem. The 3-watt LED's in a 3 per pod configuration will draw the same amperage as a 23-watt halogen light bulb. The prime difference in the GEN-3 LED's is the amount of Lumens the LED displays.

Posted: Mon 28-Nov-2005 16:33 Post subject: Re:

[quote:442d8020d6=\"Strobe * 10\"][quote:442d8020d6=\"Colonel\"]Dashking strobe -> Dashking GenII LED -> Whelen Talon (looks like same housing to me except dual talon is not stacked)

Posted: Mon 28-Nov-2005 17:21 Post subject:

Hey now Hugh , We Canucks are not all pompus. Just a select few.

Posted: Mon 28-Nov-2005 17:28 Post subject: Re:

[quote:d70452af4d=\"Peter F\"]Hey now Hugh , We Canucks are not all pompus. Just a select few.

Posted: Mon 28-Nov-2005 18:17 Post subject: Re:

[quote:09c4799345=\"Peter F\"]Hey now Hugh , We Canucks are not all pompus. Just a select few.

Posted: Mon 28-Nov-2005 22:18 Post subject: Re: RE: The talk of Gen-4 LED's

[quote:3dbb5c3ab9=\"Niles\"] GEN3 LEDs are 3 watts, they have been out for a long time. And if the 5 watt LEDs generate so much heat and require so much power why are there 5 watt LED flashlights available?

Posted: Mon 28-Nov-2005 23:21 Post subject: Re: RE: The talk of Gen-4 LED's

[quote:06e541ccaa=\"Jarred J.\"][quote:06e541ccaa=\"Niles\"] GEN3 LEDs are 3 watts, they have been out for a long time. And if the 5 watt LEDs generate so much heat and require so much power why are there 5 watt LED flashlights available?

Posted: Mon 28-Nov-2005 23:51 Post subject:

Yes Leds make for good warning lights. But terrible for flashlights from i have seen. Of course i havent got my hands on the proffesional ones yet, but our rescue squad bought a bunch of led flashlights. We had a call out for a girl who took a 200 foot dve offa cliff. When they had to go searching for her the LEDS couldnt comapre to the halogens in the woods around here. In Due time maybe they will replace all halogen bulbs.

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