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| Mick (firewolf) Contributing Member Joined: 27 Aug 2005 Posts: 3717 Location: Grand Rapids area, Michigan, US of A |
Where in the original post did it say he had to take the lights off? Officer stopped him, asked to see the lights on, inspected his permit and sent him on his way. Why should he contact the sheriff and ask him to explain his employee's action, Will? I see questionable (but not improper!) PC for a stop and that's it. No violation of the law or common departmental policy was reported by the original poster. |
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He DIDN'T say it in the original post, but he DID say it in the one immediately above the one you quoted (In other words, the one you quoted and asked about WAS in fact a reply to the one in which he said he had to take the lights out . . .)
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Location: Palm Beach County, Florida
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| [quote:23c9c5ee41=\"light_n_em_up\"]no, he actually made me put the slimlighter in thr trunk and take the red lenses off the dashmiser! thats why i think he was just being a douche bag cop. what i dont understand the most is the fact that he ASKED me if i had a red light permit and then told me volunteer fire fighters were not allowed to run lights! how much sence does that make? i didnt even look at his name and even then i would not file a complaint, no need to piss off any cops. i just think maybe he didnt like me from the start (gold teeth) | |
Ok, I stand corrected...yeah, he WAS being a douche bag!!!
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| wakko arent you an officer down in south FL? if so, just wondering, what if they were blue, would there even be a law against that? given the fact that it was off and there is no blue lenses, wouldnt i have to actually be displaying a blue light for it to be against any laws? i mean, hell, my car could be a show car with a police theme for all anyone knows.
i dont know, i see these guys that own thier own buisness of whatever ride aroud with led mini lightbars that im guessing are amber, but i doubt they ever get stopped, just seems like i got targeted for one reason or another. sorry to drag this out so long but i just want to know why i even got stopped in the first place. |
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Location: Palm Beach County, Florida
| Posted: Sun 15-Jan-2006 22:18 Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I posted the law earlier. The question, as I mentioned earlier, what constitutes \"display\" the blue light?
As far as I'm concerned, you did not break the law and the officer had no right to ask you to move the lights or remove lenses. You were within your rights to ask for a supervisor to respond, in my opinion. |
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Joined: 15 Oct 2005
Posts: 2467
Location: Corbin, Ky The Whitley, Knox, Laurel..Tri County Region
| Posted: Sun 15-Jan-2006 22:36 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:9b1cb4bd6c=\"light_n_em_up\"]last night was the first time it has happened, i'm sure sometimes i turn a few heads and make some wonder, but never been stopped, i would not be pissed about it if the officer was somewhat nice about it. but after he asked what the color was and i said\" red, the same as my strobe\" he said \"all i asked was the color, turn it on\" so i did, he comes back to the window and says\"why do you have red lights, are you a fire fighter? where your permit\" , i give it to him and he says\"the state of florida prohibits and flashing or rotating red or blue lights visible from the front or rear of the vehicle\" i say\" then why would my chief give me this permit\" \"ask him\" he says, then he wanted me to put my lights in the trunk, HELL, i have a remote dashmiser that the wires run all through the headliner, i would have been on the side of the road for an hour! so we compromised on putting up the slimlighter and removing the lenses on my dashmiser and putting them in the trunk!
this just doesnt seem right, i had my permit that was issued by my chief, but still had to put up my lights, im pretty sure that florida law states red can be used, 1 in the front, 2 in the back, yea i know that i have more than that, but i run either led's or strobes.... remote dashmisers and hideaways, or ll slimlighter and sho me hyper brites in the grill, never all at once, i just couldnt make the choice between the two |
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Now see you left this out of your original post,,,,,this makes a big difference.
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Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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Location: Louisville, KY
| Posted: Sun 15-Jan-2006 23:49 Post subject: |
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| Talk to your Chief about this incident.
Get your laws, keep your permit.. ask for a supervisor if this stupid @*$& happens again. Gonna have a hard time getting to a fire run if stupid cops make you take your legal lights down. Your Chief would be the first person I'd turn to over this. He might make a phone call or two. |
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Location: Mt. Gilead, Ohio
| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 00:04 Post subject: |
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| I really don't think it's worth making a big deal of it. As far as a \"complaint\", we're on the same team here. Let it go..... | |
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| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 00:10 Post subject: |
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| I don't believe that officer feels they were on the same team. If he did, he obviously didn't know the rules (laws) of the game. | |
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| Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that the use of lights by Vol FF are restricted quite a bit...essentially, its rare that a FD chief issues them in Florida. This officer could have been told/instructed (not correctly, but if they don't know or in a metro area where Vol FF are few and far)...
In most, if not all states, the police have the right to stop you just to make sure your vehicle is within code, in addition to any moving traffic violations etc etc. In any case, if you have a permit and the cop is being a dick, ask for a supervisor. In addition what some people do with their permits (if its not already stated) is to jot down that State Law number which gives the authoriztion for the use...this way the officer can look it up. Just don't be a dick either or it will all go downhill quickly. |
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Location: Corbin, Ky The Whitley, Knox, Laurel..Tri County Region
| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 01:23 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:98c83a36e3=\"Pj\"] In addition what some people do with their permits (if its not already stated) is to jot down that State Law number which gives the authoriztion for the use...this way the officer can look it up.
Just don't be a dick either or it will all go downhill quickly. |
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Thats what we have on our permits, at the bottom in bold print is Authorization Pursuant to KRS 189.920-189.950
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| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 07:18 Post subject: Re: |
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[quote:33e90afbfa=\"Wakko\"]Sounds to me like he isn't aware of the laws concerning the lights. Cops that don't know what they're doing are dangerous, so make sure that YOU know the laws. I can't believe how many cops don't even know firearm laws and think the \"three step rule\" is actually true.  |
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let us not forget...in most places to be a police officer ONLY a GED is required... the trend is moving away from that and most are looking for at least 60 college credits, but far too many ONLY require a GED... intelligence IS an option...
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Real nice. What might the college requirement be to be a hose jockey, hmmm? Many cops do not know the laws concerning emergency equipment because they do not deal with incidents involving them at all. I keep up to date with them just so I do not have a problem with the car I'm restoring. Case in point, I was working on my car in the garage when the regular beat copper drove down the alley. He does a double take and backs up to my garage. I'm thinking its someone I know from work, NOPE. He gets out and starts giving me grief about having a red lightbar on the roof and why do I have a half dozen more on the wall. I politely inform him of the Illinois Vehicle Code concerning this and he says I'm wrong. At this point I announce my office and show him my badge and ID. He says it does not matter if I am a cop. Mind you, we work for the same department. At this point I pull out a copy of the 2005 Code and show him where the section is. He starts steaming silently and then tells me that I need valid registration to drive the car on the street. Jerks are jerks where ever you are. As for education requirement, who is the dumb one? The firefighter running into a burning building, or the copper chasing an offender armed with a handgun? This is a question that comes up between myself and my firefighter neighbors all the time. Well, after a few beers anyway. |
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| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 10:12 Post subject: |
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Complain and stir the pot. I bet that stops on the volies will increase do to the whinning factor.  |
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| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 10:18 Post subject: Re: |
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Real nice. What might the college requirement be to be a hose jockey, hmmm? |
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Easy there... I don't think \"Myron\" is a firefighter either, considering he addressed all volunteers as slappers/sparkers in another thread. He'd better hope that the cops aren't too busy drooling on themselves and the firefighters too busy arsoning buildings when he needs one or the other.
Here's hoping Myron gets to go the way of some of our other friends (like James Harrow).
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Location: S.E. PA.
| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 10:44 Post subject: |
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| Hell just let it go. It's not worth it. You question his actions with his CO, he gets called on the carpet for it and now you do have one pi$$ed off LEO, who by the way knows what you drive and your plate number.
If you are totally legit, have all necessary documents to verify this along with a copy of the vehicle code that pertains to emergency lighting on pov's. Next time he or another leo stops you, you can show them in writing that you are indeed following the vehicle code. Then if he persists is when you approach his superior. |
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| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 11:13 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:78977a6d37=\"Myron Grombacher\"]
let us not forget...in most places to be a police officer ONLY a GED is required... the trend is moving away from that and most are looking for at least 60 college credits, but far too many ONLY require a GED... intelligence IS an option... |
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Well maybe so but, I know far more LEO's with GED's or a HS diploma that have common sense or street smarts than ones with college degrees. I'll take my chances of being protected by a street wise cop over a college degree any day.
Intelligence isn't everything either, it's not what keeps these guys alive day after day, year after year. That is called common sense, instincts, experience and good training.
To all the LEO's on the board who do have college degrees or credits, I am not putting you down for that. If that is how you interperate it then I apologize for offending you. That is not my intention.
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| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 20:00 Post subject: Re: |
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[quote:81c9ebd195=\"tvsjr\"][quote:81c9ebd195=\"1212\"]
Real nice. What might the college requirement be to be a hose jockey, hmmm? |
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Easy there... I don't think \"Myron\" is a firefighter either, considering he addressed all volunteers as slappers/sparkers in another thread. He'd better hope that the cops aren't too busy drooling on themselves and the firefighters too busy arsoning buildings when he needs one or the other.
Here's hoping Myron gets to go the way of some of our other friends (like James Harrow).
what? are you serious?! no where near that lot, you are right there with me. i been a vollie, and im le now... so i have a small clue there. some of the guys i work with are amazingly bright...some are not. period. it is the ones that cannot think outside of the box that will give you problems. these are usually the same ones who lack any real education. experience counts there guy. i don't WISH i was, i am.
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| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 20:07 Post subject: |
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| Your LE now?
Last you told me you were a salesman for Bearcom. |
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| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 21:16 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:7839633545=\"Pj\"]Your LE now?
Last you told me you were a salesman for Bearcom. |
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we all wear many different hats my friend....
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| Posted: Mon 16-Jan-2006 21:27 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:3456c5390e=\"Pj\"]Your LE now?
Last you told me you were a salesman for Bearcom. |
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Salesman for Bearcom? Now I know he's crooked.
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| I once had a Bearcom salesman tell me (from the same office he works in) to frakenflash my AS3 for modat by using LAB. | |
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| Posted: Tue 17-Jan-2006 23:42 Post subject: |
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| [/quote]Here's hoping Myron gets to go the way of some of our other friends (like James Harrow).
Just curious...what direction did James go? Better? worse? Maybe I missed something. Last post I saw a while ago he was vowing to be more postive. |
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Location: pennsylvania
| Posted: Wed 18-Jan-2006 01:57 Post subject: |
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| If I went out pulled some one over and made them do something they didnt have to do because i was in the wrong I would hope to be informed of the situation because i dont wanna turn around and do it again. Thats how we learn things through mistakes. Seems how its a regular occurance down there I would be contacting some one to get them better educated before there is a big problem with it going around and if they take offense to it and go out and pull more vollies over and make them take there lights down that would be abuse of power and they shouldnt be doing that job because they are in it for the wrong reasons. It would be the same thing as a police officer getting pulled over and getting told he couldnt wear his uniform even after he provides his proper ID and getting made to take it off. They wouldnt be to pleased with that. | |
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| Posted: Wed 18-Jan-2006 07:33 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:fe6abb68e0=\"Joe G.\"]Just curious...what direction did James go? Better? worse? Maybe I missed something.
Last post I saw a while ago he was vowing to be more postive. |
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Neither. James went another direction - out the virtual door. He pissed on enough people that he suffered bannination.
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