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Axixtech Stealhvisor or Whelen Inneredge...
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| e911god Regular  Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Rockland County, NY |
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| OTFD122 Frequent Poster Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1855 Location: Rochester, MI |
+100,000!!! Having owned an SV, I would never buy an interior lightbar not made specifically for that vehicle. |
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Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 57
Location: Rockland County, NY
 Posted: Sun 2-Nov-2008 08:21 Post subject: |
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| Don't need the takedowns. The Strobesnmore video of the Stealthvisor states they make an Explorer specific mount.
I have two Whelen SlimlighterMM's currently on the top and the flasback is horrible. I love the light output though. I'm hoping the shield on the light will cut down on the flashback so I want on that is going to fit pretty snug and without obstructing my view. |
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Joined: 07 Feb 2008
Posts: 161
Location: Tippecanoe County, IN
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| They make an explorer mount that will attach to the visor clips... but the stealth visor is not made to exclusively fit the explorer so it's not going to fit against the windshield as tightly or as well as an inner edge, which they make specific vehicle models of. | |
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Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 475
Location: Omaha, NE
| Posted: Sun 2-Nov-2008 18:22 Post subject: |
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| The SV is much brighter than the IE. Having double the LEDs, you will have a brighter light. As for Whelen saying they have vehicle specific brackets, that's not always the case. Having dealt with it first hand ourselves, they are not always a vehicle specific fit. Just thought you should know.
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Joined: 07 Apr 2008
Posts: 52
Location: Boston, MA
| Posted: Mon 3-Nov-2008 06:26 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:549bba479a=\"Bonanno\"]The Fit of an inner edge is a little more custom and better fit then the Stealth Visor. | |
+2. Go with Whelen on this one. The Stealth Visor brackets are really tough to work with, even the ones that are custom.
Professional Upfitter
Joined: 16 Sep 2006
Posts: 2003
Location: Oakland, NJ
| Posted: Mon 3-Nov-2008 07:25 Post subject: |
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| Never installed a Stealth Visor, but everyone is extremly happy with the inner edges ive installed, so much that other agencies within the town want them | |
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Joined: 25 Mar 2008
Posts: 99
Location: Topeka, KS
| Posted: Mon 3-Nov-2008 07:37 Post subject: |
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| Haven't seen the SV, but I love my IE, hardly any flashback at all! You will not be disappointed if you get a model w/o the TD's (those are pretty much a waste of space on that bar).
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Joined: 07 May 2008
Posts: 17
Location: Orange County, NY
| Posted: Mon 3-Nov-2008 11:40 Post subject: |
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One of the guys in my department runs a inneredge on his 07 explorer and it fits perfectly. I wish they made one that would fit my 04 explorer 
I've only seen the stealthvisor installed in an Impala, not really a big fan of it. I don't think it disperses the light like the inneredge can with the mix of TIR's and LIN's. Just my $.02 though. |
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Joined: 19 Jan 2008
Posts: 150
Location: Clemson, SC
| Posted: Mon 3-Nov-2008 14:21 Post subject: |
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| Say what you want about a SV, It is still a Whelen Knock-Off. It might be a good knock off, as it uses the same linear technology Whelen Engineers developed here in the USA. Right now I would much rather buy a product that is made by an American company here in the USA. People keep bitching at all these companies for shipping there jobs over seas, well gentleman if you choose to buy the cheaper china knocks off they have no choice. | |
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Location: Omaha, NE
| Posted: Mon 3-Nov-2008 14:51 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:1c1ea7ab2e=\"nikon35\"]Say what you want about a SV, It is still a Whelen Knock-Off. It might be a good knock off, as it uses the same linear technology Whelen Engineers developed here in the USA. Right now I would much rather buy a product that is made by an American company here in the USA. People keep bitching at all these companies for shipping there jobs over seas, well gentleman if you choose to buy the cheaper china knocks off they have no choice. | |
Actually Nikon, it uses a different linear technology. As for copying, who came out with the first linear 4 LED and 6 LED grille light? How about split colors? I don't see anyone calling Whelen a knock off company. Why is that? Plus, many components are made overseas. They simply build the end product here. Is Tomar a knock off of Whelen as well with their linear technology? Something to think about before pointing fingers.
Tony
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Location: College Park, MD
| Posted: Mon 3-Nov-2008 15:32 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:206c2d44fe=\"nikon35\"]Say what you want about a SV, It is still a Whelen Knock-Off. It might be a good knock off, as it uses the same linear technology Whelen Engineers developed here in the USA. Right now I would much rather buy a product that is made by an American company here in the USA. People keep bitching at all these companies for shipping there jobs over seas, well gentleman if you choose to buy the cheaper china knocks off they have no choice. | |
Not a knock off when Whelen uses reflector technology and Axixtech uses an Optic technology to focus the light. As for made in the USA, the SV is made up the road from you in Charlotte, yes the part come from overseas, but I'll bet about the same percentage as the IE.
Now if you want to throw the knock off term around, make sure you look in the mirror when you say Whelen and remember that Axixtech came out with the first TIR4 light head and the first 4, 6 and 9 LED light heads with split colors.
Now, back to the subject at hand. I have installed both and both have their merits. If I had to recommend one over the other, it would have to be the SV if you don't need TDs.
Dan
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Joined: 19 Jan 2008
Posts: 150
Location: Clemson, SC
| Posted: Mon 3-Nov-2008 19:57 Post subject: |
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| Ok, I am not going to argue with two Axixtech dealers. | |
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Location: st albans vt
| Posted: Mon 3-Nov-2008 21:21 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:c25299b4ef=\"nikon35\"]Ok, I am not going to argue with two Axixtech dealers. | |
There is nothing is argue about when there right
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Location: Fairfield County, CT
| Posted: Mon 3-Nov-2008 21:40 Post subject: |
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| Having dealt with both Axixtech and Whelen, I'm going to be sticking to Whelen. I personally think Whelen is an easier company to deal with than Axixtech, but that's a different story for a different day.
I would go for the InnderEdge because of one thing. CHOICES! You can modify an IE to YOUR likings and change it every week if you want to. You're stuck with a SV the way you get it out of the box. |
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Joined: 23 Jan 2008
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Location: New Haven, CT
| Posted: Wed 5-Nov-2008 12:17 Post subject: |
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| I have an IE on an 07 EXPy. There is ZERO, I mean ZERO flashback. As a matter of fact, it has an LED indicator on the pax side to let you know it is on, otherwise you would never know. Pricey, as with all Whelen products, yes but nonetheless, high quality. My only gripe is they advertise the unit with one 45 degree led module on the innermost section of each side for intersection projected lighting. When I received my unit they were all forward facing. Would be nice if they made an all in one unit as well with more LEDs as it would fit over the mirror just fine. They only offer the split version.
That's my 2 cents. |
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Joined: 28 Oct 2006
Posts: 27
Location: Abilene, Texas
| Posted: Wed 5-Nov-2008 12:35 Post subject: Knockoffs |
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| Nikon:
While I am an axixtech dealer, I am not sure I agree with the timeline that others have stated. The optics on the Axixtech, Tomar, and other brands are different than Whelen's. Axixtech is Taiwain based, not China Based and despite China's claim to Taiwain, there is a substantial difference in dealing with the two. Also, look at Whelen's line the last 5 years. Do a timeline study on products from Nova, Code-3, and even Able-2 vs Whelen's similar products. NO ONE in the industry wears a \"White Hat\" in the knockoff wars, and the US manufacturers are No Exception. Just my 2 cents. |
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Joined: 28 Oct 2006
Posts: 27
Location: Abilene, Texas
| Posted: Wed 5-Nov-2008 12:46 Post subject: Knockoffs |
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| Nikon:
While I am an axixtech dealer, I am not sure I agree with the timeline that others have stated. The optics on the Axixtech, Tomar, and other brands are different than Whelen's. Axixtech is Taiwain based, not China Based and despite China's claim to Taiwain, there is a substantial difference in dealing with the two. Also, look at Whelen's line the last 5 years. Do a timeline study on products from Nova, Soundoff, Code-3, and even Able-2 vs Whelen's similar products. NO ONE in the industry wears a \"White Hat\" in the knockoff wars, and the US manufacturers are No Exception. Just my 2 cents. |
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Location: Clemson, SC
| Posted: Wed 5-Nov-2008 18:38 Post subject: Re: Knockoffs |
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| [quote:5e171b7750=\"BigCountrySupply\"]Nikon:
While I am an axixtech dealer, I am not sure I agree with the timeline that others have stated. The optics on the Axixtech, Tomar, and other brands are different than Whelen's. Axixtech is Taiwain based, not China Based and despite China's claim to Taiwain, there is a substantial difference in dealing with the two. Also, look at Whelen's line the last 5 years. Do a timeline study on products from Nova, Soundoff, Code-3, and even Able-2 vs Whelen's similar products. NO ONE in the industry wears a \"White Hat\" in the knockoff wars, and the US manufacturers are No Exception. Just my 2 cents. |
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Thats actually a very valid response, defiantly changed my look on other manufaturers. Thanks!
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA
| Posted: Wed 5-Nov-2008 19:47 Post subject: |
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| I just have to point out the flawed logic here, it really bothers me:
[quote:26a649dc84=\"ERM\"] As for copying, who came out with the first linear 4 LED and 6 LED grille light? How about split colors? I don't see anyone calling Whelen a knock off company. |
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[quote:26a649dc84=\"ka8ypy\"]
Now if you want to throw the knock off term around, make sure you look in the mirror when you say Whelen and remember that Axixtech came out with the first TIR4 light head and the first 4, 6 and 9 LED light heads with split colors.
The Intellectual Property Law in the US is based on the inventive element, just because you make small change to an existing device/technology does mean it isn't a knock-off. It has to be a significant and non-obvious modification.
I can't think of a good example, but you get the idea.
-Jared
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Location: Clemson, SC
| Posted: Wed 5-Nov-2008 20:22 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:3c10d59054=\"Jared @ LIGHTSnSIREN\"]I just have to point out the flawed logic here, it really bothers me:
[quote:3c10d59054=\"ERM\"] As for copying, who came out with the first linear 4 LED and 6 LED grille light? How about split colors? I don't see anyone calling Whelen a knock off company. |
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[quote:3c10d59054=\"ka8ypy\"]
Now if you want to throw the knock off term around, make sure you look in the mirror when you say Whelen and remember that Axixtech came out with the first TIR4 light head and the first 4, 6 and 9 LED light heads with split colors.
The Intellectual Property Law in the US is based on the inventive element, just because you make small change to an existing device/technology does mean it isn't a knock-off. It has to be a significant and non-obvious modification.
I can't think of a good example, but you get the idea.
-Jared
That is a great point; I think Whelen did not initially market the split colors because it was not financially feasible. When Whelen manufactures something it does it in large quantities and if it does not meet a certain profit margin they don't do it. I am guessing that is why they waited so long. But simple changing the color of an led is in no way an innovation.
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