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| CrownVic97 Regular Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 345 Location: Fargo, North Dakota |
 What will he do if America is attacked by terrorists again Last edited by CrownVic97 on Thu 6-Nov-2008 00:08; edited 1 time in total |
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| To be honest, Iran would technically be in the right to attack US planes if they enter the airspace. We don't have the right to be there just like they can't enter our airspace. This is international law that is accepted. I do not like Iran, mostly because of its nut job leader but no military can enter a airspace to conduct military operations without permission outside of a war. | |
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| Posted: Thu 6-Nov-2008 00:00 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:0fb598325f=\"whackersanonymous\"]To be honest, Iran would technically be in the right to attack US planes if they enter the airspace. We don't have the right to be there just like they can't enter our airspace. This is international law that is accepted. I do not like Iran, mostly because of its nut job leader but no military can enter a airspace to conduct military operations without permission outside of a war. | |
The problem is that Iran has a history of exaggerating its territory, seas, and airspace. They claim to have sole rights to the Strait of Hormuz when this is clearly not the case according to international law. Remember the British boat incident?
I will tell you this: should Iran decide to attack an American military aircraft, it would be a severe mistake. They wouldn't stand half a chance in hell against our aerial arsenal, and that is a fact.
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| Posted: Thu 6-Nov-2008 00:05 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:27e6deb40d=\"mcpd2025\"]This is where my concern lies with a Obama presidency. He WILL be tested, and I am almost positive he will fail... | |
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| Posted: Thu 6-Nov-2008 00:05 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:bdf34ebf55=\"whackersanonymous\"]To be honest, Iran would technically be in the right to attack US planes if they enter the airspace. We don't have the right to be there just like they can't enter our airspace. This is international law that is accepted. I do not like Iran, mostly because of its nut job leader but no military can enter a airspace to conduct military operations without permission outside of a war. | |
Those pilots probably already knew Iran was a no-fly zone, but mistakes can happen sometimes. If they did act and fired upon our planes, then what? They'd have to explain, but they may not, being they hate us and a number of others so bad. Our word against theirs....then you got a messy, messy, messy situation.
What I'm saying is that blatently threatening the new-soon-to-be-pres with this kind of news is not the smartest thing to do.......that scares me. It's like they are ready to do something to either the US or Israel and see what BO does to try and stop them.......
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| Fortunately the leader of Iran is full of **** on just about everything. The reason we haven't invaded them is because I don't believe the people of Iran are as crazy as we give them credit for. It is actually a pretty stable country considering its neighbors. The leader is an idiot though and he runs his mouth constantly and of course I am sure that the people aren't to fond of America right now but I don't think they want a war as much as Admenijad. With that said if there were an attack on a US aircraft it would be a big mistake. I am not sure what would be done though. We have a lot of might in the mid-east right now and could definitely take out AA sites in a very short period of time but we really can't afford to start another war, I suspect that unless its a blatant attack on us or complete negligence on our part this would end diplomatically. With any luck Admenijad can be talked down and they can work on securing that country with out having to fire a single bullet | |
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| Posted: Thu 6-Nov-2008 07:22 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:7d7e8078e6=\"whackersanonymous\"] I suspect that unless its a blatant attack on us or complete negligence on our part this would end diplomatically. With any luck Admenijad can be talked down and they can work on securing that country with out having to fire a single bullet | |
I don't think talking to a extremely mentally disturbed person who hates ANY American would do so well. Say if BO does try to talk, would Admenijad even listen or understand? He's blinded by so much hate and screwed-up thoughts against so many people that he doesn't even believe the holocaust of 6 million innocent Jews and people happened
. I think he's just gonna lie right in BO's face, just as he had with everyone else from outside countries about what he's doing. Then after talking with BO (if that ever happens, I don't know), he'll probably make a hate speech against us and the new president. It's a crazy world, I tells ya.....Frequent Poster
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| Posted: Thu 6-Nov-2008 07:27 Post subject: |
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| Russia's already adding missiles in Europe...
$50 that Israel's gonna take action against Iran just as he's being sworn in... |
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| Posted: Thu 6-Nov-2008 08:03 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:79e8edd392=\"CrownVic97\"][quote:79e8edd392=\"whackersanonymous\"] I suspect that unless its a blatant attack on us or complete negligence on our part this would end diplomatically. With any luck Admenijad can be talked down and they can work on securing that country with out having to fire a single bullet | |
I don't think talking to a extremely mentally disturbed person who hates ANY American would do so well. Say if BO does try to talk, would Admenijad even listen or understand? He's blinded by so much hate and screwed-up thoughts against so many people that he doesn't even believe the holocaust of 6 million innocent Jews and people happened
. I think he's just gonna lie right in BO's face, just as he had with everyone else from outside countries about what he's doing. Then after talking with BO (if that ever happens, I don't know), he'll probably make a hate speech against us and the new president. It's a crazy world, I tells ya.....True but at this point I think their hands would be tied if it was our screw up, I am sure that a US commander would hang for it if it was found that our plane did something illegal. Admenijad is a nut case so who knows what his next move will be, I really don't think we want to get into a war in Iran though, logistically it would screw us pretty good.
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| Posted: Thu 6-Nov-2008 09:26 Post subject: |
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| Yeah, like the mindless way the Carter administration handled state sponsored terrorism.
Just like when the United States of America probably looked like a country of cowards when our people were held by the Iranians for 444 days... The thought of it just makes me want to puke. Clinton was no better-- any one of us in our line of work or in the military would have faced severe punishment for what he did in the oval office. I didn't mind him being an idiot, I minded him being a national/international disgrace. |
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| Posted: Thu 6-Nov-2008 10:39 Post subject: |
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| What's the point? Iran threatens us every 45 seconds and has been for decades. Putin has been yammering about missiles for years, notably after the US moved to put more missiles in Poland. Then he invades Georgia. Prior to that the Soviets were all bitchy about Star Wars, Brilliant Pebbles and missile shields.
\"I think he's just gonna lie right in BO's face, just as he had with everyone else from outside countries about what he's doing.\" Refresh my memory, someone said something about looking into Putin's eyes and said words to the effect: \"I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.\" Who was that, and what makes you think that any politician, from any country, can be trusted with anything, anytime? Of course the new President will be \"tested\" - that's his job, and it happens to every president we ever have had or will have. |
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Of course the new President will be \"tested\" - that's his job, and it happens to every president we ever have had or will have. |
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Yes, testing a man that took him twenty years to figure out that Reverend Wright was a political liability.
It would be one thing if I got the sense that Obama had a coherent political philosophy other than Stick It To The Man. I can respect a true liberal who loves his country and his countrymen and thus believes that the American state had some responsibility to provide a social safety net for reasons he could articulate (such as to prevent the rise of mass dissatisfaction among the masses that would lead to increasingly radical political movements or that America cannot be the City on the Hill if too many of its citizens are living below the poverty line). I would argue with that person until we were blue (or red) in the face, but I would know I was talking to a patriot.
But this guy. This guy does not respect the values of this country. You do not stay under the guidance of a man who, after one of the darkest days in American history, gets up on the pulpit and jeers at the dead. You do not run for one public office simply so you can have a secure job that you have no intention of doing while you try to get your next job. You do not insult intentionally the beliefs and values of your fellow citizens who have the audacity to practice their civil rights.
But most of all, you do not aspire to be the first African American president without setting a standard for yourself that is so high that even on your most average day on the campaign trail, rank and file Americans have such fundamental questions about your character, your beliefs, your skills, your experience, or your readiness.
Instead, you truly behave like the transformational human being your sycophants say you are, so that even your most cynical critic will have a moment in the voting booth when he or she says \"this guy has really got it together.\" Instead, you conduct yourself with such dignity and put so much pressure on your opponent to bring out the best in himself or herself that the voters know that who ever wins on election day is going to be, hands down, no question about it, a sensational president.
Instead, we get this guy.
Bitter? Me? Never.
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| Posted: Thu 6-Nov-2008 16:20 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:ca97a3529b=\"brewmeister\"]Russia's already adding missiles in Europe...
$50 that Israel's gonna take action against Iran just as he's being sworn in... |
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+1 ... Well, they might wait until the day after
Two words : Energy Independence. That is the only friggin reason we give two cr*ps about that part of the world. Want to stop terrorism? Stop giving them money/technology/aid/products. Lets see how long it takes them to start asking us nicely for help.
We need to button up our borders and take care of our own. Let them blow each other up. We can use the extra 10 billion a month over here.
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| Bingo, we need to get out of oil, the obsession needs to end, it looks like Americans are getting passed the big engine to match big ego deal and now are buying vehicles that make sense. I am betting diesel trucks will replace gas trucks for work trucks and that unless you have to have a truck many people will opt for something more efficient. We need the high gas prices to show us that we can find other ways. I am lucky to live in a town where I honestly can walk anywhere and if I need to get to a place I can't walk I can take a bus for free (thanks to UVM). I do still use my vehicle to go to fire calls because its to far away to get there any other way quickly. I think that also people see the money in simply being conservative, even if you want to have a gas guzzler. Maybe you don't cruise around so much or you plan your trips more efficiently. Honestly the country should create a \"new deal\" where we hire all the unemployed people hurting right now and rebuild our infrastructure. DO NOT PASS A STIMULUS PACKAGE! I would like the cash but unless people spend it at stores it doesn't get back into the economy and its just going to pay off bills. | |
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| [quote:12a20194ca=\"whackersanonymous\"]Honestly the country should create a \"new deal\" where we hire all the unemployed people hurting right now and rebuild our infrastructure. | |
How hard is it to get a fricking job?! I already give 1/3 of my paycheck to these people, I don't need a modern-day Robin Hood to steal more from me to give to the \"less fortunate\" that would rather stay at home and do drugs than get a job. I'm sick and tired of this liberal )*&^%$#@ about helping out everyone who's too lazy to help themselves. McDonalds is always hiring, and minimum wage isn't all that much less than what I make saving people's lives every day! I have a job that barely pays my bills, am I getting help? NO, because I actually try to create a better life for myself! The way things are looking right now, I might as well quit and just get on welfare, I'll probably make more money that way!
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