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Does your FD have an SOP or SOG for this?
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| dynastar666 Turbo Poster Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 2347 Location: Ithaca, NY and Burlington, VT |
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Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Posts: 438
Location: Naval Air Station Pensacola, FL
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| On parking garage fires:
You really don't want to take your engine/brush truck/mini pumper in there unless the car is isolated and there is good ventilation. If you've got a car in the middle of a clump of cars, they're all going to light up. If you have *&%&*&^ ventilation, the fire is going to consume all of the available oxygen in the area---leaving your pump with none to run on. Screwed. Also, if things get bad enough and you want to get out, the cab will be up in the smoke layer and you won't be able to see sh!t. Bad news. Leave the rig outside. Either hump the hose in, or if you have standpipes in the structure, use them. And be VERY careful in there. People will be driving like @ssholes through the smoke trying to get their cars out---and they won't care if you're there or not. |
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Joined: 13 Oct 2005
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Location: Meadville,PA
| Posted: Sat 8-Nov-2008 17:08 Post subject: |
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| we dont have one in our first due, not sure what your parking garage looks like but if its anything like a normal one and depending on the crew status...you could send one guy up the stairs with the rope bag, 2 others bang the 35' ladder, the first guy tosses the bag while hlding onto the rope, tie the handline off, first guy starts pulling while the other 2 guys grab a section and climb the ladder, get hoseline in place charge it and whack the fire. | |
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Joined: 13 Jan 2007
Posts: 4240
Location: Fairfield County, CT
| Posted: Sat 8-Nov-2008 17:31 Post subject: |
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| Anyone using foam for these types of calls. Foam takes a lot less water and we have a foam unit for our Brush Truck. | |
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Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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Location: Corning, NY
| Posted: Sat 8-Nov-2008 17:45 Post subject: |
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| Pre-planning. Know where your garages are and their entrance heights and how tight the turning radius' are. If you have a Mini Attack truck let it be known that that is first due for a vehicle fire in those parking garages. How many gallons does it carry? 500? If so might want to take into consideration that the mini attack be first due for all vehicle fires. If you cannot put out a car fire with less than 500 gallons then you have a few issues to resolve. I'm not saying dont roll the engine, just make that 2nd due. Food for though | |
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Location: Fairfield County, CT
| Posted: Sat 8-Nov-2008 19:51 Post subject: |
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| Our brush is 350 gpm and 225 gallons. | |
Regular
Joined: 03 Oct 2007
Posts: 807
Location: West Elmira, ny
| Posted: Sat 8-Nov-2008 20:23 Post subject: |
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| brings back memories for a call that Elmira Fire Dept. had.
They had a minivan on fire but it mostly put it self out. I'm still trying to figure out WHY they dispatched the 95' platform when the opening is about 6'4\". It was on the first floor so that was kind of an advantage. |
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Joined: 27 Aug 2005
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Location: Northampton County, PA
| Posted: Sat 8-Nov-2008 21:10 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:068e10d966=\"donotmixwithh2o\"]If you have a Mini Attack truck let it be known that that is first due for a vehicle fire in those parking garages. How many gallons does it carry? 500? If so might want to take into consideration that the mini attack be first due for all vehicle fires. If you cannot put out a car fire with less than 500 gallons then you have a few issues to resolve. | |
I'd be real impressed if someone showed me a \"mini attack\" unit with 500 gallons of anything.
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Joined: 16 May 2007
Posts: 3316
Location: Gravel Ridge, AR
| Posted: Sat 8-Nov-2008 22:36 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:d4be685a65=\"NPS Ranger\"][quote:d4be685a65=\"donotmixwithh2o\"]If you have a Mini Attack truck let it be known that that is first due for a vehicle fire in those parking garages. How many gallons does it carry? 500? If so might want to take into consideration that the mini attack be first due for all vehicle fires. If you cannot put out a car fire with less than 500 gallons then you have a few issues to resolve. | |
I'd be real impressed if someone showed me a \"mini attack\" unit with 500 gallons of anything.
Perhaps he means a midi attack?
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Location: Fairfield County, CT
| Posted: Sat 8-Nov-2008 23:16 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:282ad7d0c9=\"NPS Ranger\"]
I'd be real impressed if someone showed me a \"mini attack\" unit with 500 gallons of anything. |
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you can get a 400 gallon tank on a Ford F-Series chassis though.
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Location: Meadville,PA
| Posted: Sun 9-Nov-2008 18:48 Post subject: Re: |
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| [quote:7243bb3c2b=\"DaveCN5\"]Anyone using foam for these types of calls. Foam takes a lot less water and we have a foam unit for our Brush Truck. | |
we use foam for everything...both our lead engines have a 30 gal. class A and class B tanks and we use \"drench\" mixed in out tank for the brush unit. we even put class A foam into our water cans on the engines.
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Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Location: Traverse City, MI
| Posted: Mon 10-Nov-2008 20:55 Post subject: |
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Well, if you have an unlimited source of income, you could always purchase one of these!
In the city next to us, they have a couple of parking structures. I know that when I worked for the hospital that had one of the three structures, our security vehicle had a large foam extinguisher and a 100' of 1.5\" hose that coupled to our dry-hydrant system on the structure. Security personnel didn't use the hose, they just had it to assist the FD. We also had a dry-chem cart and the grounds crew had a small John Deere Gator that the FD could throw all of their gear into. I guess my observation would be, pre-plan the structure, and see what available resources the structure's owners have available to you. Most have some type of vehicle to either maintain the structure or something, so make some type of mutual agreement to use that equipment during an emergency. Just a thought! |
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Joined: 13 Jan 2007
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Location: Fairfield County, CT
| Posted: Sat 22-Nov-2008 13:02 Post subject: |
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| After much contemplating, we've decided that for now, we are just going to have our engine first due, brush truck with foam unit second due and our ladder truck third due.
However, we've been looking at getting a new brush truck and after doing quite a bit of research, we've found that E-One does in fact, make a 500 gallon quick attack/wild fire truck on a F-550 chassis. That is appealing to us because we have an underground parking structure going in, but construction will not start for another couple years. Hopefully by that time, we will have acquired a new brush truck with a crew cab that we can take into that first due. |
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