Can someone from Oregon tell me what this vehicle does and what it carries? It also seams that Stuart made some mistakes.
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Ford F-150 DOT Incident Response Vehicle
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hawkspringsfire said:
1- he said that there was 1 red and 1 blue Sound off interector lights. The video shows that both sides are red.
2- he says the whelen liberty was set up with red and amber LEDs. the video shows that the bar is all red with takedowns and allies.
firedude said:
I see what you mean about the intersector, but the whelen bar could be a duo with both a red and amber configuration?
The push bar is blocking the front license plate. That's an equipment violation.
Also, the vertex in the headlight will be rendered useless once the headlamp is turned on. Still don't get why professional installers keep doing that???
Also, the vertex in the headlight will be rendered useless once the headlamp is turned on. Still don't get why professional installers keep doing that???
They put Vertex in the headlights since its easy and looks good when the customer picks up the vehicle. I agree it's a waste and washout.
I'd like to know why a DOT thinks it needs to run red and white warning lights, do they think they are fire/ems?
They need it because it's more important for roads to be safe than just about anything else on a highway (including criminal justice), and amber is pretty much a "disrespect me please" light. They may not be going over the speed limit, but their job is absolutely critical to the preservation of life and property (which is actually the definition of the requirements for a red light permit in PA). Speed is only one small part of running hot, remember that. In order to do their job better and safely, they need to be yielded to.stansdds said:
In the end they may not be fire or EMS, but they are critical to the preservation of life and property (at least during snow removal and the like) just like fire and EMS. I'm not saying that they should have red lights flashing when patching a hole in the road or changing a flat tire, but when keeping the road conditions driveable they absolutely should. Separately switched red and amber would be the best possible solution. Considering amber is 2/3 red, bicolor LEDs in red/amber would also be pretty cheap compared to red/blue etc.
Ipuvaepe said:
Amber will show up better against the tail lights. I never understood why people use red for rear lighting on service vehicles.
Ipuvaepe said:
Nothing happens that causes a service vehicle to need to be yielded too. If they can't exceed the limit why not just go with the flow of traffic. What does that truck have hidden in the camper that a PD or FD truck does not have, that will save a life or property?
It says it is an incident response vehicle. In the NY/NJ area these vehicles usually carry traffic control equipment for scenes on the interstate highways. I know if I was out working an MVA or car fire on an interstate I would want the people with the training and equipment to set up an appropriate traffic control zone to get there ASAP.
I wasn't speaking of that vehicle, more the huge F750 dumper/plow DOT trucks, especially ones with a plow trailer. However, you need to realize that a lack of apparent reason is not the same thing a a reason against. You may not see why they should have it, but that is not a reason for them not to have it. It seems a lot of people can't make that distinction.CACBAND said:
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That's not what I said, but yes absolutely.CACBAND said:
You do realize how ridiculous you sound, right? You again mistook a reason for ("I think...") for a reason against (Reason for the law) in your sarcastic (I say sarcastic instead of satiric because it's a logical fallacy) example. But since it's now apparent you don't have the mental capability of making this distinction, I will explain to others reading this post. This is America, where the law is framed by inclusion (You can be prosecuted for ____) rather than exclusion (You can't be prosecuted for ____), for now anyway. The purpose of lights is safety, not uniformity. No POV can have red/blue and no unmarked police cruiser can use red w/o blue in PA because they don't want people to be able to impersonate police, a public safety issue. Of course when you factor in lobbyists (like FDNY and green courtesy lights, or PCAA and only police are allowed to have slicktops in PA) this changes, but what can you do 99% of people are territorial.CACBAND said:
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So if there's no reason for them not to have it, they should??? Wee I think red/blue HAWs would cause people to slow down for people with flat tires, maybe they that should be a new OEM requirement, red/blue to the rear only with the 4 ways?
in oregon the state dot runs the motor carrier enforcement for the state , as well as providing incident response for the major highways, also counties will run incident response trucks I have pics of my county ir truck posted in the installs section.
Our state DOT also uses trucks like that. Ours are F350's I believe and they run code to incidents in their jurisdiction. With how our roadways are setup and the amount of traffic, if they didn't have red lights and sirens they'd never get on scene. Very useful to have these trucks respond ASAP. They are emergency workers...they can do other tasks but if it is construction related they use a different truck with non emergency colors.
One of 3 different types of trucks WADOT uses. Washington State Department of Transportation Incident Response Unit (AJM NWPD) | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (photo courtesy of AJM Studios)
One of 3 different types of trucks WADOT uses. Washington State Department of Transportation Incident Response Unit (AJM NWPD) | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (photo courtesy of AJM Studios)
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i think it's a great list of equipment installed, but the grill flash patterns and the split patterns in the rear kill it, IMHO
Shawn said it and should know, as he works in the DOT field. I'm not sure if the F150 is a state vehicle or not.
But they have emergency lights, because in Oregon they are classified as an emergency vehicle. Here is a link explaining what they do in the Region 1 district, which is Portland Metro area and probably the busiest. In the more rural areas of the state, they sometime act as first responders for wrecks. But they now cover all highways throughout the state. They are a vital tool in scene security and protection of emergency crews on the major highways and interstates.
Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) Region 1 Incident Response
(The picture is the first unit they used)
Here are a few different pictures.
ODOT incident response on the I-5 bridge | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
http://www.buckstop.biz/Images/pushbumper/Ford-Push-Iso_l.jpg
But they have emergency lights, because in Oregon they are classified as an emergency vehicle. Here is a link explaining what they do in the Region 1 district, which is Portland Metro area and probably the busiest. In the more rural areas of the state, they sometime act as first responders for wrecks. But they now cover all highways throughout the state. They are a vital tool in scene security and protection of emergency crews on the major highways and interstates.
Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) Region 1 Incident Response
(The picture is the first unit they used)
Here are a few different pictures.
ODOT incident response on the I-5 bridge | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
http://www.buckstop.biz/Images/pushbumper/Ford-Push-Iso_l.jpg
NJ DOT has a limited number of there vehicles mainly pick up set up with all red lights and sirens. They are mainly used by supervisors who respond to major emergencies on heavily traveled state hi ways in Jersey.
A riding mower/couch/mattress/large metal pipe/ car from a wrecker/tow truck or even stalled vehicles is all just a FEW examples of what happens everyday at any given time on any highway/interstate and is the reason why a DOT Incident response truck needs to be yield to for us to do our job and get to the scene and clear it from the lane before you or or family come across it crashing into it getting hurt or even killed.. I can only speak for SCDOT incident response trucks, but we have traffic cones, matjack air bag to jack up anything up to 50 tons pretty quickly which is mainly used when we assist people changing a flat tire. a few sockets/tools, air tools/gun, 5 gallon can of fuel, CPR/first aid kits, and water & abc fire extinguisher.... FIRE/EMS will not be dispatched out to prevent a crash/accident!! I have been dispatched to a stalled vehicle blocking the center lane out of a curve where a EMS truck come across it and they pulled over on the shoulder with their lights trying to warn people before they crash into this stalled car... but guess who shows up with a message/arrow board and push bumper to safely push this mini van to the shoulder of the road while controlling traffic at the same time before it got smashed by a car/truck or even an 18 wheeler! Yep DOT incident response!!! So by clearing the lane of travel from whatever that is blocking it to a moving stalled vehicle to the shoulder and out of the lane of travel and thus preventing a crash is how we save lives and property!!!CACBAND said:
stansdds said:
DOT INCIDENT RESPONSE units is only to keep the highways/interstates running and to assist FIRE/EMS/POLICE/HIGHWAY PATROL During accidents. I been doing this going on 8 years and at least 3-5 times during the week we get dispatched to a stalled vehicle blocking a lane of travel!! Keep in mind everyone is doing an avg of 80miles on this interstate and with people texting/talking on the phone or doing whatever they is being forced to dodge the stalled vehicle which could have kids inside it.. EMS/FIRE is not dispatched out to help this stalled vehicle UNTIL it has been hit and someone is hurt or killed!! Highway patrol and DOT Incident Response Units is dispatched to prevent a crash and thus saving a family or someone from getting hurt or killed before someone crashes into them!! So Im sure if it was your wife and kids or family in that vehicle you would want who ever is dispatched out to help them running red, blue or whatever that's going to get them to your family the quickest! Fire/EMS is very important and yes i know they have a very tough job to do when they do it, but DOT Incident responders just as important and have just as a tough and even more dangerous job to save life and property everyday and risk our lives doing it!!! Infact DOT Incident responders even help keep the Fire/EMS safe during accidents by controlling the traffic and creating a buffer (safety zone/space) and moving traffic around the accident scene so FIRE/EMS can do their job!!! So yea We have sirens, reb, blue, amber, white lights on our trucks and can run red lights and go around traffic if dispatched to a life threatening call!!
And this is my OLD 2004 Dodge 2500HD DOT incident response truck
My NEW 2012 F250 DOT Incident Response Truck
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Oh man, love the blue on that SCDOT truck and can't believe it's factory! Not a fan of the new console setup though, looks like a bitch to reach anything, should have stuck with a full length or custom one.
Shep0968 said:And this is my OLD 2004 Dodge 2500HD DOT incident response truck
Not that snow could ever cause a road incident in South Carolina... lol
(Just some friendly Michigan weather humor. At least in SC, people have an excuse. Here they're just idiots.)
For the record, DOT vehicles (including courtesy vehicles) in MI run only with amber, but the law allows service vehicles like wreckers to run red, but not as EVs in the same manner as fire/ems/police.
lafd55 said:
That blue is what the state got for free as a deal they made with ford for purchasing a large order of trucks from them... FORD won the bid from the state to provide us with new trucks this year.. Ford called it "Petty Blue" (Richard Petty)
I wish the dumb people who order the equipment like would be forced to used them... b/c im not a fan of this new console either!! The one from my old dodge was perfect and even had a keyed lock box under the arm rest of the console..
As to the snow, Yea that's about the max we really get around here if any!!! But that night ( i didn't even use 4x4) but i seen soo many dumb a people crashing into ditches and the median wall..
First of all, I apologize for bumping such an old thread. Just thought it would be perfect for my first post as I am a part of this program.
To begin, that is not one of our trucks. Only thing I can think of is that maybe it was a mock-up or a test run. We run F-350's very very similar to Shep in SC's Blue Beauty. Only we have a covered pull out joey bed that contains the majority of our gear.
Also wanted to touch on the whole Lights and Sirens issue. I know for people in other states where it's not the norm, it is very weird / almost sacriledge for a DOT truck to have L/S. But as others have pointed out, we are certified emergency vehicles with the state. For a couple of reasons. #1 is in the metro area. We would not be able to get ANYWHERE with out the ability to push traffic run the shoulder. #2 in my metro area, we are the first responders for all non injury and unk injury veh crashes. We are a self reporting state and if it's not a trauma inj / the cops really have other things they could be doing. We have diesel transfer pumps and a 50 gallon tank on board for diesel pump offs. Oregon being such a green state, any hazmat diesel incident are automatic code runs for us.
And also just want to send a little shout out to Shawn L who works right down the road from me. His agency is good people. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.
To begin, that is not one of our trucks. Only thing I can think of is that maybe it was a mock-up or a test run. We run F-350's very very similar to Shep in SC's Blue Beauty. Only we have a covered pull out joey bed that contains the majority of our gear.
Also wanted to touch on the whole Lights and Sirens issue. I know for people in other states where it's not the norm, it is very weird / almost sacriledge for a DOT truck to have L/S. But as others have pointed out, we are certified emergency vehicles with the state. For a couple of reasons. #1 is in the metro area. We would not be able to get ANYWHERE with out the ability to push traffic run the shoulder. #2 in my metro area, we are the first responders for all non injury and unk injury veh crashes. We are a self reporting state and if it's not a trauma inj / the cops really have other things they could be doing. We have diesel transfer pumps and a 50 gallon tank on board for diesel pump offs. Oregon being such a green state, any hazmat diesel incident are automatic code runs for us.
And also just want to send a little shout out to Shawn L who works right down the road from me. His agency is good people. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.
Yeah,honestly...they are state vehicles, run by officials. There isnt many of them so why not have L/S. No need to make a huge deal about it
R-Rizzo said:
Any chance you could post some pictures of your rig? Seems almost every time I drive through Oregon I see one of the incident response trucks somewhere on I-5, they look pretty slick from a distance
CACBAND said:
Our DOT (WSDOT) runs red lights and sirens. WSDOT is in charge of all state roadways. An incident on the roadway is a big deal. Believe it or not these guys are much more than just a fancy AAA service vehicle. They are EMR trained (many are EMTs) as well as Hazmat trained. In addition they play a critical role in the investigation phase of a crash as well as rescue. They won't replace EMS or Fire but their job is just as important. There have been several cases where they played a very important roll in the outcome of a patient.
They do not abuse the red lights and in fact are trained and authorized by WSP in their use. Very rarely will you see them running red lights / sirens.
They do everything from traffic control and clean up to investigations and rescue. I can't speak for other states but the WSDOT Incident Response guys are true professionals.
whypics2 said:Any chance you could post some pictures of your rig? Seems almost every time I drive through Oregon I see one of the incident response trucks somewhere on I-5, they look pretty slick from a distance
I will, give me a little bit of time... I'm in an old rig right now, and we're due a new one here in the next week or two.... When it gets put in service and I get a chance I will get some good pictures and get the posted....