17/184 combo

[AuroraBorealis]

Was this an actual production combo from FS (hellooooooo Eric!)?? If so, wonder why the N.Y.P.D. wouldn't have adopted it instead of the 175H/66 Pulsator (assuming it was moded for as a 175H).

I always think I've seen it all, but every couple of years some unique combination/home brew comes along to amaze me!

Rare Vintage Federal Signal Speaker Light 176 / CJL See Video ! | eBay

BOTH THE 176 LIGHT AND CJL SPEAKER BASE HAVE NEW WHITE BASE GASKETS. MODEL CJL Designed for use with the Beacon Ray of your selection. Neat and clean in appearance, the top surface is a platform on which you can mount your light.

rover.ebay.com

 

[NESQ115]

Was this an actual production combo from FS (hellooooooo Eric!)?? If so, wonder why the N.Y.P.D. wouldn't have adopted it instead of the 175H/66 Pulsator (assuming it was moded for as a 175H).

I always think I've seen it all, but every couple of years some unique combination/home brew comes along to amaze me!

Rare Vintage Federal Signal Speaker Light 176 / CJL See Video ! | eBay

BOTH THE 176 LIGHT AND CJL SPEAKER BASE HAVE NEW WHITE BASE GASKETS. MODEL CJL Designed for use with the Beacon Ray of your selection. Neat and clean in appearance, the top surface is a platform on which you can mount your light.

rover.ebay.com

Wow. Never saw that before. I have no idea if this was an actual production item; never saw it in a catalog. Interesting idea but even if it ever was a production item, the question re NYPD is, was this a production item back in 1963/64? The path was set back in '63 when NYPD went to the 175H/66 combination for its highway patrol cars, and then adopted it for the rest of the fleet in '64. Note also that that combination was an incremental change from what NYPD had just started using in '63; a clear-domed Beacon Ray and and underhood Pulsator. I am not aware of any indication that NYPD was at all interested in having an electronic siren at that point; they just wanted to improve upon the mechanical siren. Otherwise they could have used the Dietz speaker-light. Now imagine what it would have looked like if FS had somehow created a stacked 175-over-66 unit!

 

[southpaw]

federal-signal-listing.90010

 

[dmathieu]

The CJL Speaker base was a stand alone product, meant for the customer to use with their existing light. This was a great idea considering the longevity of the beacon Ray 17 series lights.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Thanks to all for filling in the blanks. Hmmm, I wonder if they ever thought about installing a Visibeam on a Twinsonic--will start tinkering with that tonight....

Wonder what the next surprise will be!

 

[cmb56]

Personally I think that this speaker base was more intended for the model 14 than the model 17.

Regarding NYPD to what I know they had a 5” model 175 but with the same lamp angles as the later 175-H and with a model 28 siren underhood in 1963 not a Pulsator version.

When they moved the siren from underhood up to the roof they changed it to the new Pulsator version (P660) in the 66-series and needed to rise it abow the siren and added the 7 1/2” base to the 175 which become the 175-H.

The switch to electronic siren was in 1973 when NYC ”forbid” electro-mechanical sirens because sound pollution.

A good electro-mechanical siren will always over sound an electronic siren.

 

[ERIC6913]

Yes, this was an actual production item.

 

[Stampeed Valkyrie]

So why does the tag read 17 if the insides are obviously not a model 17?

 

[Lt.214]

So why does the tag read 17 if the insides are obviously not a model 17?

Expand the picture, it is a 176, the "6" is hard to see due to it being stamped and not colored screened like the 17 is , which was typical of the time. Federal mass produced the badges and left the final model digit to be hand stamped. The same process was done for the serial numbers, hence only the "2R" is in red.

 

[southpaw]

 

[Stampeed Valkyrie]

Expand the picture, it is a 176, the "6" is hard to see due to it being stamped and not colored screened like the 17 is , which was typical of the time. Federal mass produced the badges and left the final model digit to be hand stamped. The same process was done for the serial numbers, hence only the "2R" is in red.

WoW that 6 is straight up ninja..

 

[southpaw]

Personally I think that this speaker base was more intended for the model 14 than the model 17.

Regarding NYPD to what I know they had a 5” model 175 but with the same lamp angles as the later 175-H and with a model 28 siren underhood in 1963 not a Pulsator version.

When they moved the siren from underhood up to the roof they changed it to the new Pulsator version (P660) in the 66-series and needed to rise it abow the siren and added the 7 1/2” base to the 175 which become the 175-H.

The switch to electronic siren was in 1973 when NYC ”forbid” electro-mechanical sirens because sound pollution.

A good electro-mechanical siren will always over sound an electronic siren.

I think the CJL base was more Model 17 oriented, based on photos and use. Also it follows what NYPD with the high skirt and model 175.

 

[southpaw]

Photos attached, and thanks to Dan!! federal-signal-listing.90010

 

[lotsofbars]

Whoa. Without all this proof, I would've just guessed homebrew. Learn something new every day.

 

[cmb56]

I think the CJL base was more Model 17 oriented, based on photos and use. Also it follows what NYPD with the high skirt and model 175.

Yes, you are probably right.

Personally I find the looks of this speaker base together with a 17 looking quiet ridiculous.

Comparing it with the Dietz counterpart that was made for the 240/7-40 the Federal Signal CJL would in my opinion look much better with a 14 or with a cut down 17-series light.

Maybe it was intended to use cut down 17-series lights.

Reading the text in the catalogue page you showed also state Beacon Ray which I had forgot when I wrote my comment.

I still think it look ridiculous.

Michael

 

[dmathieu]

Cut down 17 skirt

 

[dmathieu]

Either way, it's a great piece, that I'd love to have!

 

[cmb56]

Either way, it's a great piece, that I'd love to have!

Same here.

Michael

 

[stansdds]

Yep, interesting piece of Federal Signal history, but not for $1000. Just too steep for me to even consider buying.

 

[tsquale]

Yep, interesting piece of Federal Signal history, but not for $1000. Just too steep for me to even consider buying.

Agreed 1000%. I made a fair and reasonable offer shortly after it was listed and he replied back that he had tons of people messaging and making him offers so he wouldn't take less than $1000. Nice to see it still hasn't sold. He should have taken my money

 

[Wailer]

The switch to electronic siren was in 1973 when NYC ”forbid” electro-mechanical sirens because sound pollution.

But the first electronic siren (Stat VI) NYPD used had an awesome sounding yelp.

A good electro-mechanical siren will always over sound an electronic siren.

The only ones I like are the B&M S8 and Sterling model 30. Federal 66s and Qs sound too shrill and tinny.