Heres two videos of an Ohio State Trooper who seems to have an issue with this guy. What do you guys think of it?
First video
First video
Can anyone make sense of this?
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Well there is obviously his side of the story where he thinks he was "set-up" by his ex-wife because he claims this is a friend of hers. Then the side of the trooper where, in his good training, has a guy with his hands in his pockets walking up to him so when the trooper exits the vehicle like the guy said "he came out of his vehicle with his gun drawn telling me to get my hands out of my pockets and lie down." I assume every officer would act the same way, especially at night, and in a driveway of this guy. And as Stendec has said before, there is three sides to every story.
Personally, if the guy would have complied, we would probably know more about this situation. Obviously the trooper seemed a bit excited at first but that could be due to the previous situation about the hands in the pockets. Also, it's obvious he had contact with James before because he mentioned a situation about a bobcat. But since this guy felt he needed to stick his chest out and fight/try to get away from the trooper he moved it to the next level.
Personally, if the guy would have complied, we would probably know more about this situation. Obviously the trooper seemed a bit excited at first but that could be due to the previous situation about the hands in the pockets. Also, it's obvious he had contact with James before because he mentioned a situation about a bobcat. But since this guy felt he needed to stick his chest out and fight/try to get away from the trooper he moved it to the next level.
It just seemed a bit overboard but It might have been neccessary given whatever happened leading up to that.
I wouldn't call it an abuse of authority. He did jump out of his vehicle with his hands in his pockets and head straight toward the trooper, who reacted accordingly. Seems a bit overboard for speeding, but the trooper reacted the way he was trained, and obviously this person has a colorful history with law enforcement in his area.
A perfectly normal and legal reaction to not doing what you're told to do, when you're told to do it.
ffemt045, care to explain where the abuse of authority is? Just based upon the video, the officer makes a traffic stop and the driver gets out of the vehicle, thats a red flag to me. Where I am from, the driver has to stay in the car and the police have the right to use force to keep you in the car. This guy gets out, when confronted he immediately jams his hands into his pockets. That is a another red flag. Then he tries to run away from the officer... you guessed it, another red flag.
When you flee on foot, I am allowed to chase you and use reasonable force to detain you. If you don't stop voluntarily, I am allowed to use physical force. Again, the driver is sending yet another red flag and the officer is responding with reasonable force to overpower the driver. The officer then attempts to cuff him, because the driver is obviously combative (red flag) and the officer is obviously alone. At this point the driver is resisting arrest and the officer is no longer able to simply use physical force to subdue him.
The next move up the use of force continuum is probably a protective instrument. That includes whacking the heck out of him with a nightstick (probable injury to all involved), give him an OC shower (definite hour long discomfort to all involved, unless driver is under the influence, have to provide medical attention to all affected parties) or Tase him (very short period of discomfort, 99.99% chance of immediate compliance, 99.99% chance of immediate recovery).
Then when you consider that the officer knows the driver, perhaps there was a lookout for the vehicle from an earlier crime. Maybe the driver beat up his old lady and was driving back to his house. Maybe the driver is a known crackhead. Regardless, I didn't see any evidence of abuse of authority or any misconduct on the officer's part.
Just like I don't make negative comment on how you should do parts of your job that I am not trained or knowledgeble about, its not very fair for you to sit there and make uninformed negative remarks about an officer that is trying to do his job. That is the job of the uninformed general public, not somebody who is in public safety and should know the kind of work environment that we deal with.
When you flee on foot, I am allowed to chase you and use reasonable force to detain you. If you don't stop voluntarily, I am allowed to use physical force. Again, the driver is sending yet another red flag and the officer is responding with reasonable force to overpower the driver. The officer then attempts to cuff him, because the driver is obviously combative (red flag) and the officer is obviously alone. At this point the driver is resisting arrest and the officer is no longer able to simply use physical force to subdue him.
The next move up the use of force continuum is probably a protective instrument. That includes whacking the heck out of him with a nightstick (probable injury to all involved), give him an OC shower (definite hour long discomfort to all involved, unless driver is under the influence, have to provide medical attention to all affected parties) or Tase him (very short period of discomfort, 99.99% chance of immediate compliance, 99.99% chance of immediate recovery).
Then when you consider that the officer knows the driver, perhaps there was a lookout for the vehicle from an earlier crime. Maybe the driver beat up his old lady and was driving back to his house. Maybe the driver is a known crackhead. Regardless, I didn't see any evidence of abuse of authority or any misconduct on the officer's part.
Just like I don't make negative comment on how you should do parts of your job that I am not trained or knowledgeble about, its not very fair for you to sit there and make uninformed negative remarks about an officer that is trying to do his job. That is the job of the uninformed general public, not somebody who is in public safety and should know the kind of work environment that we deal with.
I agree the trooper should of controlled him better than that. Theres too much missing to really understand it i think.
mcpd2025 said:
+1
I also bet from that the troopers have had prior run-ins with this guy over the years, be it for OMVI, Domestics, and all of that fun stuff. In some parts of Ohio the troopers work in conjunction with the sheriff offices to respond on calls because the sheriffs are so under staffed in the more rural counties. We have some people where I work, they are always in trouble with traffic infractions or DUS or domestics, but yet it is our fault for setting them up. This sounds like one of those cases to me.
It looks like the driver was out of the car prior to the traffic stop
I wonder why the Trooper didnt identify himself when asked? I have never heard an LEO not do that. Instead he tells him he is Mr. TASER Man :roll:
I wonder why the Trooper didnt identify himself when asked? I have never heard an LEO not do that. Instead he tells him he is Mr. TASER Man :roll:
Well, they have obviously had a history with this jizz bag before. He is non-compliant from the start. Based on previous dealings with him, I can see the more aggressive stance from the start. You also need to understand the State Marine is down a lane out in the country by himself, and that certainly dictates that he needs to establish control quickly.
The suspect asks who tased him, and first calls the troop "taser man". The troop repeats it several times, which was probably not wise to do on camera, but in the heat of the moment it can be tough to keep your mouth shut. Knowing OSP, he will probably face disciplinary action for not identifying himself.
The suspect asks who tased him, and first calls the troop "taser man". The troop repeats it several times, which was probably not wise to do on camera, but in the heat of the moment it can be tough to keep your mouth shut. Knowing OSP, he will probably face disciplinary action for not identifying himself.
I didn't see anything wrong. DB listens about as good as my 5, 4, and 2 yoa. :roll: Had he shut his cake hole and listened, he wouldn't have gotten tazed. Just cuz the cuffs go on doesn't mean you're under arrest. If you're being a DB, hinky, and evasive, damn straight the cuffs are going on. They come off just as easy as they go on.
Quite a little rant there on his U-tube comments.... Sounds like he's out for revenge for the trooper catching him being a general screw up...
I kinda call this thing a set up as well,
First off he followed the guy into his drive, the motor was off in the vehicle lights were turned off by the time the trooper got to him so i don't believe he was fleeing, he actualy walked back to the car per the video.
how does the trooper recall a guys name from 2 years ago in a different vehicle and not located at this guys address? troopers do not respond to house calls here in ohio.
the alleged asks to see his speed which is legal here in ohio for an officer to produce even tho they have this new law that says an officer can guess your speed and your screwed. but why was the officer so forward in making this guy sit in the back of his cruiser even after being searched. seems totally bs to me.
First off he followed the guy into his drive, the motor was off in the vehicle lights were turned off by the time the trooper got to him so i don't believe he was fleeing, he actualy walked back to the car per the video.
how does the trooper recall a guys name from 2 years ago in a different vehicle and not located at this guys address? troopers do not respond to house calls here in ohio.
the alleged asks to see his speed which is legal here in ohio for an officer to produce even tho they have this new law that says an officer can guess your speed and your screwed. but why was the officer so forward in making this guy sit in the back of his cruiser even after being searched. seems totally bs to me.
I'm calling foul. No way a trooper remembers a name from a bullshit incident from two years ago.
I love it....this guy is an idiot who could have prevented all of his subsequent problems. I have remembered alot of turds of the years just because they acted like this one. Reminded of the "don't taze me bro" idiot!
ryan said:
Ryan,
In areas where we live like Stark, Summit, Cuyahoga and such, troopers don't respond to calls at houses. In other parts of the state they do. They respond as mutual aid to Sheriff offices. You take some place like Wayne county that has something like 3 -5 deputies on shift county wide now because of budget cuts, OSP is responding to a lot more things than just crashes or DUI's.
Also in Ohio, officers are not required to show you their radar.
I am not saying this was or was not a set up, I do not know. I am just saying I will bet money that there is a lot more to this story then what is shown. Plus the guy says OSP edited the video, how do we know that he didn't before he posted it.
If what I read is correct, this man received 30 days in jail with 20 suspended. The 10 days are to be split 5 and 5 and he is appealing this!!! He refused breathalizer and blood testing for alcohol /drugs. His name has been in the paper before, so he is well known by the deputies and state patrolman. He is appealing his 10 day sentence which is appauling and makes no sense. Clearly in my opinion he should have received MORE then 10 days as his priors speak for themselves. I'd like to know why he should think this was a set up. The arresting officer had good reason to re-act the way he did, he was only doing what he was trained to do with someone so well known to the law enforcement in this county.
after watching both video's of this gentleman :roll: .I believe after listening to the citizen rant and rave that The trooper would remember him as there was a good chance he also made a butt of himself before from the previous contact ,and more than likely anytime he has came into contact with any authority he has reacted in the same fashion.
I'll be very curious as to what his appeal will bring. To appeal a 10 day jail sentence on his obvious mentally unstable attitude towards authority sends a messege to everyone in "our" county. He is lucky not to have gotten 6 months behind bars.rick h. said:
To Matt and Ryan.... A few years ago I read in the paper that this guy picked up a car in the middle of the road with a fork lift and dropped the car....with people inside. There were injuries to a senior citizen and juvenile. The alleged then grabbed his daughter and ran into the woods to get to his mother's home where he dropped the child off. He then grabbed a machete and was waving it to "this" same officer. SO...it is easy to know why this patrolman remembered him. A set up, no way. He just happened to be speeding by the wrong officer. As you can see in this video, after refusing to "just sit in the cruiser", he fled on foot. A very predictable move by this man who seems to be blaming everyone else for his idiot actions. WHY did he refuse a blood test at the hospital? I doubt if it had anything to do with an "ex", he knew it would bust him for sure.MATT3045 said:
PLEASE READ WHAT I WROTE TO MATT AND RYAN ABOUT THE INCIDENT FROM A FEW YEARS AGO....IT WAS ALL OVER THE PAPERS.spike91 said:
Are you sure the forklift incident wasn't a set-up, maybe the troopers forced him into the fork lift and handcuffed him to the controls. :lol: :lol: J/K. Someone waves a machete at me, you better damn well believe I am gonna remeber them.cppd664 said:
From what I have read...he got only 7 days in jail for the fork lift case and is appealing his 10 day jail sentence for the resisting arrest. Kinda makes ya wonder why he was screaming for the deputies, who does he know in the sherrifs dept., and why does he get away with seemingly everything? Something smells bad around here. Love the handcuff to the control joke. LOL He is blaming everyone for his actions. What would his ex arriving at the ER have to do with his refusal to give blood?? His DNA, haha what a lame excuse.
Going by what CPPD said about his past, the officer has a right, in most states, to a legal search based on his "known criminal history". The furtive movements to the pockets suddenly would warrant a reaction from the Officer. I didn't see a gun get pulled but I breezed through, but in the beginning It was all off camera. Now after all this he is resisting and obstruction governmental administration (or equivalent in that state) by not allowing the officer to do his job.
Tell me HOW he has not been served any time yet for this crime?? This incident occured almost a year ago...and he is free and appealing a 10 day jail sentence. Is there a statute for resisting arrest of this nature?