New FDNY Seagraves

pdk9

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Hey guys. I’m sure many of you have seen that FDNY went back to Seagrave for their engines and now are sporting a fully FedSig lighting package with Navigators up top.

I’ve noticed that the outer minibars on the front of the cab appear to be tilted downwards. I initially thought that the guys hit their new lightbars against something the first time I saw it, but it appears all their new engines and tower ladders have brackets intentionally tilting the outer lightbars slightly downwards.

Does anybody have a clue why that is?
 

firebuff17

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Mar 28, 2011
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I saw that.
My guess is that it brings the light beam down to hit the cars, or pedestrians, that are closer to the rig. We all know, at least on this forum, that LEDs are pretty directional. So having the light bars up high, they never really hit any cars. Putting the tilt on them brings it down more.
 

pdk9

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Interesting point; I never thought of that. It makes sense, but I also think it’s a waste on their part since the angled 45 degree reflectors on the rotators would do that naturally when they’re positioned normally.

Has anybody else heard anything or have any thoughts about the decision to custom mount them tilted downwards?
 

firebuff17

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I agree. I spent some time spit balling wondering myself. That’s the best I came up with.
I would be interested to know what the reason is also.
Hopefully somebody on here sees this thread and replies.
 

Nolines

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Seriously, contact FDNY find out who they purchased them from and contact them to see why they did it, everything is built to the clients specs but they might not be the only ones that are having them done that way and the outfitters would know why.
 

JohnMarcson

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I'm going to guess that the downward mounting is because most traffic in NYC is close/intersection, not down the road. The traffic clearing style in NYC isn't like standard roads. Also, if we are being honest, the LED rotators from federal are pretty narrow in their light spread, and not really effective if you aren't looking at the right angle. I'm thinking that in order to get max effect at intersections aiming them down is required.
 

pdk9

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Seriously, contact FDNY find out who they purchased them from and contact them to see why they did it, everything is built to the clients specs but they might not be the only ones that are having them done that way and the outfitters would know why.
I’m not going to waste my time calling around to Seagrave or FDNY and getting transferred endlessly for something that nobody is dying to know the answer to. I just asked on the forum, because I was curious if anybody here had any direct knowledge, & the 2 cents put forward by some of the members here seem to be logical rationales.

Also, there is no outfitter here. The Seagrave factory directly handles large customers like FDNY who have awarded them massive multi-year contracts. Most of their employees don’t know the reasoning for each customers’ specs (they just follow the spec sheet provided to them), and FDNY HQ isn’t gonna just have the apparatus committee members on speed dial.
 
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pdk9

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if we are being honest, the LED rotators from federal are pretty narrow in their light spread, and not really effective if you aren't looking at the right angle.
Sooooo true! They’re really disappointing, & I wish FDNY went with the Freedoms (that they use on their Ferrara Ladders) on all their new Seagraves
 
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firebuff17

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Sooooo true! They’re really disappointing, & I wish FDNY went with the Freedoms (that they use on their Ferrara Ladders) on all their new Seagraves

OOOHhh…. Love me some freedoms!!!

Throw some Rot-A-Beams in the corner modules on the 45 degree bars and man oh man that’s would be sweet if I say so myself.
 
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pdk9

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OOOHhh…. Love me some freedoms!!!

Throw some Rot-A-Beams in the corner modules on the 45 degree bars and man oh man that’s would be sweet if I say so myself.
I love their spec mini freedoms for the Ferrara RM ladders (they look like R/C dual color inboards with rapid pattern rotating corners)…they’re brighter and no moving parts, so I think they’re a win for FDNY over FedSig navigators
 

JohnMarcson

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May 7, 2010
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I wish people would use Whelen rotabeam technology if they absolutely have to have a rotator look. The Federal LED rotators are disappointing and add back the mechanical failure point for no reason. I would love to see a custom Freedom approach with rotabeam outboard and regular heads inboard like the idea with the mini aerodynics they used with one outboard rotator. I sometimes wonder if the Federal rotating LED heads would even still exist if not for NYC.
 

pdk9

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I sometimes wonder if the Federal rotating LED heads would even still exist if not for NYC.

Probably not. Vision SLR demand in the USA dropped by 50% when the FDNY scrapped them lol, so now NYPD RMPs & traffic units are gonna be the only ones left with vision SLRs.

Sadly, I also think we’re gonna see a lot of FDNY rigs with burnt out lightheads or lightheads stuck on steadyburn now that they’re going with FedSig for perimeter warning….I gotta say, I see wayyy more problems with FireRays alone than all other surface mounts combined. I lost track of which products FedSig is outsourcing overseas, but (irregardless) their testing/quality control with the FireRays is god awful
 

cabunty

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Sep 21, 2014
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New England
LVMPD uses SLR's...Clark County (which Vega$ is in) out there does also...but those are drops in the ocean compared to NYPD...and...CHP...
 

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