New siren by El-Car Ltd.

FinnMedic

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Mar 15, 2022
3
Helsinki Finland
As a senior medic, I was invited to participate into a siren-study funded by European Council and it was conducted here in Helsinki, Finland. We went through 22 different siren types by different manufacturers - both European and American. These were analysed in audio lab and then based to this info a new siren was produced. The study proved the following facts that are simply as follows:
- Wail sound was the most audible from longer distance - it changes pitch continuously and breaks through the traffic noise
- Yelp should only be used closer to intersections/from short distance warning
- Air Horn is effective at close range - like when approaching intersections.
- Phaser/ are almost useless. They can be only heard from short distance.
- Dual tone - if used wail+yelp simultaneously did not improve audibility. Dual tone "stereo" in two simultaneous pitch improved slightly audibility.
- Low-frequency sirens, as Howler/Rumbler did not break through traffic noise as well as higher pitched sirens.
- Hi-lo changed pitch too slowly compared to wail. The German type "Martin Horn" was audible but had too much tonal pressure eq. desibels and was dangerously to human and canine ears.
- Mechanical siren types - Federal Q, Timberwolf, etc were very audible but had a problem with weight and were quite noisy to be used in ambulances/police cars. Excellent for fire engines though.
- The siren amplifiers should have min. 200W power and always should use two speakers mounted on grill - never behind it.

So friends - I suggest everyone to use WAIL as the main sound and wail/phaser/airhorn on intersections. That's all we need. Forget hi-lo.

The new demo-siren based on the study can be heard/seen on my tiktok-feed under user @drumgretsch
 
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Tony P

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Sep 13, 2015
1,944
Midwest, USA
It would be helpful to post direct links to this new siren here instead of directing users to a social media platform that many members may have no desire to be a part of.
 

bpollard

Member
Jun 13, 2010
425
USA, SC
As a senior medic, I was invited to participate into a siren-study funded by European Council and it was conducted here in Helsinki, Finland. We went through 22 different siren types by different manufacturers - both European and American. These were analysed in audio lab and then based to this info a new siren was produced. The study proved the following facts that are simply as follows:
- Wail sound was the most audible from longer distance - it changes pitch continuously and breaks through the traffic noise
- Yelp should only be used closer to intersections/from short distance warning
- Air Horn is effective at close range - like when approaching intersections.
- Phaser/ are almost useless. They can be only heard from short distance.
- Dual tone - if used wail+yelp simultaneously did not improve audibility. Dual tone "stereo" in two simultaneous pitch improved slightly audibility.
- Low-frequency sirens, as Howler/Rumbler did not break through traffic noise as well as higher pitched sirens.
- Hi-lo changed pitch too slowly compared to wail. The German type "Martin Horn" was audible but had too much tonal pressure eq. desibels and was dangerously to human and canine ears.
- Mechanical siren types - Federal Q, Timberwolf, etc were very audible but had a problem with weight and were quite noisy to be used in ambulances/police cars. Excellent for fire engines though.
- The siren amplifiers should have min. 200W power and always should use two speakers mounted on grill - never behind it.

So friends - I suggest everyone to use WAIL as the main sound and wail/phaser/airhorn on intersections. That's all we need. Forget hi-lo.

The new demo-siren based on the study can be heard/seen on my tiktok-feed under user @drumgretsch


actually, i would suggest that the study results prove that everything should have a "Q" and a set of grover stutterhorns................

:)
 

Wailer

Member
May 24, 2010
2,292
Canada
actually, i would suggest that the study results prove that everything should have a "Q" and a set of grover stutterhorns................

:)
On a more serious note, a problem I find with mechanical sirens is that they are manually controlled. If there was a device that could make a Q siren do a deep slow rising and falling continuous wail (like an air raid siren), I'd be all for it.
 

cabunty

Member
Sep 21, 2014
135
New England
What I find remarkable is that there was a study to determine what most people already know...and have known...for quite some time. For example, in the US, California doesn't even allow for the "3rd" tone for the most part.
 
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