What are they? Who makes them? They have used the Whelen Avengers and Federal Signal Vipers before but not sure what these are... Thanks in advance.
NYPD Rear Deck Lights?
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calebsheltonmed23
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911 said:
I'll try to find a picture but they used avengers shortly before switching to slimlighters in the CVPI.
firedude said:
umm no...... slimighters are mostly used by highway, and they been using them since gen 1 5mm LL slimlighters, which they were using long before the avengers came out.........
yes some pct cars have them and some unmarkeds, but its at special request, you have to write a 49 to have them installed........
but there are no avengers in the fleet ............
911 said:
I know 100% I've seen avengers and/or talons on NYPD marked vehicles. They may have been part of a special division, i don't know, I don't look. I'll continue to look around.
I've seen unmarked vehicles with smaller lights also, looked like two TIR3 style lights that weren't synced on each side.
BUFFaLOT said:
Yup they are. And they are complete sh!t FYI. Sections of LEDs go out all the time. They separate from the board. Banging on them fixes it for a little bit but they always go out again. The Cuda Trioptics were the best, most reliable rear deck light the dept ever used.
bfd740 said:
Honestly what you saw was probably half of the viper. As I said above they are garbage and its not uncommon for an entire section to be out. Behind an unmarkeds tints, it probably looks like 2 smaller lights instead of 2 bigger lights with only half on each illuminating.
firedude said:
It is possible that those light were "self installed". Some people would add their own lights to cars they used on a regular basis. Especially those assigned to traffic enforcement.
911 said:
Since you yourself are not a member of the NYPD, why would you assume anyone else outside the NYPD would know what a "49" is? Or were you waiting for someone to ask so you could impress them with your vast NYPD knowledge?
Fast LT1
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one11sgt said:
To be honest in my entire career in public safety and installs, i have NEVER EVER heard of a Viper failing!
I have seen the Vipers fail on a NYPD RMP. The Highway Patrol uses Whelen Slimlighters, R/W on the dash and R/B in the rear deck. I was told that they are custom made for the nypd with only one flashpattern and are sync. As we all know the sl does not come in a sync version usually.
CHIEFOPS said:
if you want to run your mouth, at least get the facts straight........
i never said i was a police officer with the NYPD ,but i do have a NYPD ID CARD in my wallet ,tax #,shield,uniform, OK !!!
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He never said you were... but can I ask what a 49 is? Thats all I want to know I could couldnt care less what your job is.911 said:
iceman4122
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Mel, a 49 is a typed report on official letterhead that is addressed to a C.O of a command and/or above. Any big event that occurs on the Pct level has to have a "49" typed up with an explanation of what happened, who responded and what the supervisor on scene did and who he notified. When a member of the police Dept. wants to do anything (ie, take a training class, order more ink for a printer, request a transfer) he has to formally do it by doing a "49". Thats the simplest way to explain it.
mcpd2025
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Fast LT1 said:
Ill post a video as soon as I can. I know of at least 6 units in my precinct alone that have failed.
911 said:
Ok, you're an NYPD civilian Traffic Agent or School Safety Agent.
Now that that's out of the way- why would you assume anyone else outside of the NYPD would know what a "49" is, especially since your usage of it, is incorrect?
iceman4122 said:
Actually, no, but that's a common mistake.
An NYPD form UF-49 is a preliminary report of an "Unusual Occurrence", prepared by a precinct Patrol Supervisor or Desk Officer, to the Dept's Chief of Patrol, detailing an incident, for the sole purpose of "the Chief of Patrol's need to know".
An "unusual occurrence" is basically anything significantly more than an ordinary occurrence, denoted by it's news worthiness, peculiarity, potential to affect the stability of police-community relations, etc. On the other hand, it excludes certain specific incidents that have their own reporting and or investigative procedure.
A person shot in the 75 precinct (a high crime ghetto precinct) would be routine patrol, a person shot in Central Park would be an unusual occurrence.
Requests for training, equipment, etc, are really just typed requests on letterhead, a request for transfer has a dedicated form to complete.
no, you are still wrong..........
and i have written many 49's in my time.......... but who cares what i do .....or why i wrote the 49's......
but if you write a 49 to FSD they will install more lights in the rmps......
and i have written many 49's in my time.......... but who cares what i do .....or why i wrote the 49's......
but if you write a 49 to FSD they will install more lights in the rmps......
911 said:
If you have shield, tax number and uniform, and are not a Police Officer, all thats left is School Safety Agent or Traffic Agent. Maybe Motor Vehicle Operators have shields, and I don't remember Auxiliary Police Officers having tax numbers.
Still, why would you assume anyone outside the NYPD would know what a "49" is, especially since your usage of it is actually wrong?
CHIEFOPS said:
Ok I am guessing I can still ask a question... What would fsd be? But thanks for the new answer..
Good Lord, another thread with a legitimate question hijacked and turned into a pissing contest about who knows more about a particular law enforcement agency.
It's a good thing John didn't offer me a moderator post, or I would have locked this thread a long time ago.
Original question answered. Enough said.
It's a good thing John didn't offer me a moderator post, or I would have locked this thread a long time ago.
Original question answered. Enough said.
Isn't the whole purpose of the internet to be able to pretend to be experts at fields we don't have any actual knowledge of? :duh:dg0223 said:
In all seriousness, though, @CHIEFOPS, I'm going to make the assumption that 911 was being facetious when he said, "...i never said i was a police officer with the NYPD ,but i do have a NYPD ID CARD in my wallet ,tax #,shield,uniform, OK !!!" I could be wrong, though...
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I guess I'm one of the rare internet users who thinks you should actually speak about things you really know about, as opposed to talking out of your rear end. Then again, those who know things are the ones who usually keep their mouth shut, while those who don't know seem to always run their mouth.
CHIEFOPS said:
I am a Police Officer. A UF-49 is the term used for any formal written interdepartmental communication. UF stands for unified form. It comes from the merger of the NYPD transit and housing police. Each had their own forms for the same thing. After the merger one standard form for each type needed became the Unified Forms and each were given a number. A 49 is simply a formal letter from one person to another. It has a specific format. From, To, Subject, Date etc.. An unusual occurrence report is from a field supervisor to the Chief of Patrol and is written in 49 format. A person shot anywhere is an unusual occurrence and would require an unusual occurrence report in 49 format.
one11sgt said:
Uhh, no.
UF is for "Uniformed Force", not unified form, it has nothing to do with the mergers. Most NYPD forms date back to when the Dept referred to itself as a Police Force, not a politically correct Police Service that it is today. The change from "force" to "service" came around 1972 or 73, when the female police officers were allowed on patrol and the rank was changed from Patrolman to the gender neutral Police Officer.
A "49" is exactly what I said it is, an unusual occurrence report to the Chief of Patrol. It's format is copied for other interdepartmental correspondence, but those are not really 49s. As for your example of the person shot, it's relative, there are precincts where poeople are shot almost daily, and by definition are not unusual occurrences, though in this age of micromanagement, some believe it is.
Now, what started me down this road is it irritates me when anyone, from anywhere, tosses around agency-specific lingo and assumes everyone else in the conversation knows what it means, or worse, does it for some juvenile attempt to impress everyone with their "inside" or priveleged knowledge.
Whenever I talk about technical stuff, I make every effort to use layman or universally recognized terminoligy so as not to confuse people.
FireEMSPolice
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Here is a solution: Make it a rule that you can not use your agencies codes/signals or crap like "49" since nobody else will know what it means. So, if you use said jargon your post should be flagged and deleted until you learn to use plain English that everyone understands.
FireEMSPolice
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EMT-BLS said:10-5? Disregard, 10-4.
Maybe I outta hit the triangle in the lower left corner to show you what I am talking about
firefighter31
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