Blue Lights on fire apparatus in the South??
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Were seeing more and more red/blue on apparatus here. Folks tend to pay more attention to red/blue than red/white.
NJEMT
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If they are coming back from a call they might pull people over. The department I currently work for 3 years ago use to staff the ambulances with police officers during the day and they would run radar and pull cars over in the ambulance.
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NJEMT said:
Don't agree with this one, honestly. I understand that they are a Public Safety Dept., but to me, that puts EMS/Fire crews in danger in other towns. In a really bad area I used to run in, if they see the bus or engine, they were calm. If they seen the PD coming, it got the crowd all fired up. Seeing PD get off a rig would just not work real well.
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Bainbridge is like my old dept was a few years ago: all officers are cross trained as firefighters. Bainbridge's fire engines are owned and operated by the same department, thus all vehicle's are both fire AND police emergency vehicles. My old dept still runs red/blue because it's tradition and looks better IMO. They don't fight fires anymore since the city went 24 hours paid with back up volunteers, but we used to carry bunker gear and BA's in our trunks. Garden City (outside Savannah) is a solo FD but I've seen a blue lens or two on the front of their trucks for some reason.
I'm surprised FHP has not stopped Indian River from having blue on the fire and ems vehicles.
Back a few years ago I did a ride along with Daytona Beach Shores Public Safety, they had blue lights on all there fire trucks and even made traffic stops with them. FHP found out and now the fire trucks have red lights and the patrol cars have red and blue.
It was cool seeing a Public Safety Officer with a gun on his side driving a fire truck to a call.
Video for reference
Back a few years ago I did a ride along with Daytona Beach Shores Public Safety, they had blue lights on all there fire trucks and even made traffic stops with them. FHP found out and now the fire trucks have red lights and the patrol cars have red and blue.
It was cool seeing a Public Safety Officer with a gun on his side driving a fire truck to a call.
Video for reference
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Interesting. The only blue/red combo I've seen in this part of GA is on a Dodge Pickup owned by Butts County FD. Looked to have been a Marshal/Battalion Chief.
Daytona Beach Shores seems very squared away.
50, in the southeast there is a lot more red/ blue. Off the top of my head, Kingsland Police, Camden County SO (only some units for some reason, including some with red/ blue to rear and all blue in front), Brunswick Police (special services only for some reason), Glynn County Police, Liberty County SO (I believe), Jesup Police, Wayne County SO, Savannah Metro (single red to the front), Garden City Police, Waycross Police, Ware County SO, etc.
50, in the southeast there is a lot more red/ blue. Off the top of my head, Kingsland Police, Camden County SO (only some units for some reason, including some with red/ blue to rear and all blue in front), Brunswick Police (special services only for some reason), Glynn County Police, Liberty County SO (I believe), Jesup Police, Wayne County SO, Savannah Metro (single red to the front), Garden City Police, Waycross Police, Ware County SO, etc.
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dusty said:
We are smart like that! An emergency vehicle is an emergency vehicle, be it LE, Fire, EMS, or VFD. While Texas law says red, blue, and clear are for EV's, it also states that all a EV has to have is one forward facing red light. Most FD's in the Dallas metroplex are r/w, though a few have r/b.
I can see how it would be odd in a all blue LE state.
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FL statue
316.2397 Certain lights prohibited; exceptions.—
(1) No person shall drive or move or cause to be moved any vehicle or equipment upon any highway within this state with any lamp or device thereon showing or displaying a red or blue light visible from directly in front thereof except for certain vehicles hereinafter provided.
(2) It is expressly prohibited for any vehicle or equipment, except police vehicles, to show or display blue lights. However, vehicles owned, operated, or leased by the Department of Corrections or any county correctional agency may show or display blue lights when responding to emergencies.
(3) Vehicles of the fire department and fire patrol, including vehicles of volunteer firefighters as permitted under s. 316.2398, vehicles of medical staff physicians or technicians of medical facilities licensed by the state as authorized under s. 316.2398, ambulances as authorized under this chapter, and buses and taxicabs as authorized under s. 316.2399 are permitted to show or display red lights. Vehicles of the fire department, fire patrol, police vehicles, and such ambulances and emergency vehicles of municipal and county departments, public service corporations operated by private corporations, the Department of Environmental Protection, the Department of Transportation, the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, and the Department of Corrections as are designated or authorized by their respective department or the chief of police of an incorporated city or any sheriff of any county are hereby authorized to operate emergency lights and sirens in an emergency. Wreckers, mosquito control fog and spray vehicles, and emergency vehicles of governmental departments or public service corporations may show or display amber lights when in actual operation or when a hazard exists provided they are not used going to and from the scene of operation or hazard without specific authorization of a law enforcement officer or law enforcement agency. Wreckers must use amber rotating or flashing lights while performing recoveries and loading on the roadside day or night, and may use such lights while towing a vehicle on wheel lifts, slings, or under reach if the operator of the wrecker deems such lights necessary. A flatbed, car carrier, or rollback may not use amber rotating or flashing lights when hauling a vehicle on the bed unless it creates a hazard to other motorists because of protruding objects. Further, escort vehicles may show or display amber lights when in the actual process of escorting overdimensioned equipment, material, or buildings as authorized by law. Vehicles owned or leased by private security agencies may show or display green and amber lights, with either color being no greater than 50 percent of the lights displayed, while the security personnel are engaged in security duties on private or public property.
(4) Road or street maintenance equipment, road or street maintenance vehicles, road service vehicles, refuse collection vehicles, petroleum tankers, and mail carrier vehicles may show or display amber lights when in operation or a hazard exists.
(5) Road maintenance and construction equipment and vehicles may display flashing white lights or flashing white strobe lights when in operation and where a hazard exists. Additionally, school buses and vehicles that are used to transport farm workers may display flashing white strobe lights.
(6) All lighting equipment heretofore referred to shall meet all requirements as set forth in s. 316.241.
(7) Flashing lights are prohibited on vehicles except as a means of indicating a right or left turn, to change lanes, or to indicate that the vehicle is lawfully stopped or disabled upon the highway or except that the lamps authorized in subsections (1), (2), (3), (4), and (9) and s. 316.235(5) are permitted to flash.
(8) Subsections (1) and (7) do not apply to police, fire, or authorized emergency vehicles while in the performance of their necessary duties.
(9) Flashing red lights may be used by emergency response vehicles of the Department of Environmental Protection and the Department of Health when responding to an emergency in the line of duty.
(10) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.
316.2397 Certain lights prohibited; exceptions.—
(1) No person shall drive or move or cause to be moved any vehicle or equipment upon any highway within this state with any lamp or device thereon showing or displaying a red or blue light visible from directly in front thereof except for certain vehicles hereinafter provided.
(2) It is expressly prohibited for any vehicle or equipment, except police vehicles, to show or display blue lights. However, vehicles owned, operated, or leased by the Department of Corrections or any county correctional agency may show or display blue lights when responding to emergencies.
(3) Vehicles of the fire department and fire patrol, including vehicles of volunteer firefighters as permitted under s. 316.2398, vehicles of medical staff physicians or technicians of medical facilities licensed by the state as authorized under s. 316.2398, ambulances as authorized under this chapter, and buses and taxicabs as authorized under s. 316.2399 are permitted to show or display red lights. Vehicles of the fire department, fire patrol, police vehicles, and such ambulances and emergency vehicles of municipal and county departments, public service corporations operated by private corporations, the Department of Environmental Protection, the Department of Transportation, the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, and the Department of Corrections as are designated or authorized by their respective department or the chief of police of an incorporated city or any sheriff of any county are hereby authorized to operate emergency lights and sirens in an emergency. Wreckers, mosquito control fog and spray vehicles, and emergency vehicles of governmental departments or public service corporations may show or display amber lights when in actual operation or when a hazard exists provided they are not used going to and from the scene of operation or hazard without specific authorization of a law enforcement officer or law enforcement agency. Wreckers must use amber rotating or flashing lights while performing recoveries and loading on the roadside day or night, and may use such lights while towing a vehicle on wheel lifts, slings, or under reach if the operator of the wrecker deems such lights necessary. A flatbed, car carrier, or rollback may not use amber rotating or flashing lights when hauling a vehicle on the bed unless it creates a hazard to other motorists because of protruding objects. Further, escort vehicles may show or display amber lights when in the actual process of escorting overdimensioned equipment, material, or buildings as authorized by law. Vehicles owned or leased by private security agencies may show or display green and amber lights, with either color being no greater than 50 percent of the lights displayed, while the security personnel are engaged in security duties on private or public property.
(4) Road or street maintenance equipment, road or street maintenance vehicles, road service vehicles, refuse collection vehicles, petroleum tankers, and mail carrier vehicles may show or display amber lights when in operation or a hazard exists.
(5) Road maintenance and construction equipment and vehicles may display flashing white lights or flashing white strobe lights when in operation and where a hazard exists. Additionally, school buses and vehicles that are used to transport farm workers may display flashing white strobe lights.
(6) All lighting equipment heretofore referred to shall meet all requirements as set forth in s. 316.241.
(7) Flashing lights are prohibited on vehicles except as a means of indicating a right or left turn, to change lanes, or to indicate that the vehicle is lawfully stopped or disabled upon the highway or except that the lamps authorized in subsections (1), (2), (3), (4), and (9) and s. 316.235(5) are permitted to flash.
(8) Subsections (1) and (7) do not apply to police, fire, or authorized emergency vehicles while in the performance of their necessary duties.
(9) Flashing red lights may be used by emergency response vehicles of the Department of Environmental Protection and the Department of Health when responding to an emergency in the line of duty.
(10) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.
One department I've seen pictures of in Florida with blue lights on fire apparatus (I think that's the one posted above) appears to be a combination public safety department providing all emergency services, so a vehicle typically used to put out fires is used by the same local agency that gives people traffic tickets, making a fire truck a LE vehicle, so blue lights are fair game. Could be wrong though...
Ain't South by any means... but all of our newer apparatus in AK was running R/B to the front.
Whites/Opticom shut down if parking brake was on, and it was a pile of red all the way around otherwise. Lightbars were red/white, the only blues were being mounted on the front of the apparatus.
Example:
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The one on the left is "my baby" and the reason she's so huge is because of a live front axle. She'll get places that PUC can't... and she'll pump more as well
Whites/Opticom shut down if parking brake was on, and it was a pile of red all the way around otherwise. Lightbars were red/white, the only blues were being mounted on the front of the apparatus.
Example:
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The one on the left is "my baby" and the reason she's so huge is because of a live front axle. She'll get places that PUC can't... and she'll pump more as well
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mfpd465
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theres exceptions an loop holes to everything, its like some states volunteers can only run lights, some can only have 1-2 lights an no sirens etc etc, in missouri you have to have 360 lighting, blue+clear on sides an front, and can have blue/red to the rear, and we can have sirens. also in some states noone has to yield to volunteers, well in Missouri if im runnin code an you dont yeild you can get a ticket, dont know other states are but missouri considers any vehicle with emergency lights an siren to be jus that, an emergency vehicle. so maybe that FD in FL was given an exception or by law, or whatever the case maybe
towman88
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In the county were i vol in TN. The O.E.C./E.M.A. and Hazmat run red/blue to all sides? Oh and we just got a used brush truck from TX and it has red/blue light to the side and no one seams to care.
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the loophole is that nothing defines what IS a firetruck or what IS a Law enforcement vehicle. I guess they say that because it has law enforcement on board, it is a law enforcement vehicle. Just because it looks like a fire truck, doesn't mean it HAS to be a fire truck. Confusing yes... but that's how I see them getting through the statute.
mfpd465 said:
Missouri does not have a 360 degree rule, side rule or color rule for the rear. The only requirement is to have a blue or red light that is visible 500ft from the front of the vehicle. Private vehicles run by volunteers or career that are running code typically do not have the right of way, it's more of a courtesy request that they move over. I have never heard of anyone getting ticketed for not yeilding to a POV. I seen more POV EV drivers ticketed for not obeying traffic laws. Here is the MO Statute:
Sirens and flashing lights emergency use, persons authorized--violation, penalty. 307.175. Motor vehicles and equipment which are operated by any member of an organized fire department, ambulance association, or rescue squad, whether paid or volunteer, may be operated on streets and highways in this state as an emergency vehicle under the provisions of section 304.022 while responding to a fire call or ambulance call or at the scene of a fire call or ambulance call and while using or sounding a warning siren and using or displaying thereon fixed, flashing or rotating blue lights, but sirens and blue lights shall be used only in bona fide emergencies. Permits for the operation of such vehicles equipped with sirens or blue lights shall be in writing and shall be issued and may be revoked by the chief of an organized fire department, organized ambulance association, or rescue squad and no person shall use or display a siren or blue lights on a motor vehicle, fire, ambulance, or rescue equipment without a valid permit authorizing the use. A** permit to use a siren or lights as heretofore set out does not relieve the operator of the vehicle so equipped with complying with all other traffic laws and regulations. Violation of this section constitutes a class A misdemeanor.
It kind of contradicts the 304.022 statute which doesn't specify that you have to be permitted and states that you must yield to blue or red lights:
Emergency vehicle defined--use of lights and sirens--right-of-way--stationary vehicles, procedure--penalty.
304.022. 1. Upon the immediate approach of an emergency vehicle giving audible signal by siren or while having at least one lighted lamp exhibiting red light visible under normal atmospheric conditions from a distance of five hundred feet to the front of such vehicle or a flashing blue light authorized by section 307.175, the driver of every other vehicle shall yield the right-of-way and shall immediately drive to a position parallel to, and as far as possible to the right of, the traveled portion of the highway and thereupon stop and remain in such position until such emergency vehicle has passed, except when otherwise directed by a police or traffic officer.
2. Upon approaching a stationary emergency vehicle displaying lighted red or red and blue lights, the driver of every motor vehicle shall:
(1) Proceed with caution and yield the right-of-way, if possible with due regard to safety and traffic conditions, by making a lane change into a lane not adjacent to that of the stationary vehicle, if on a roadway having at least four lanes with not less than two lanes proceeding in the same direction as the approaching vehicle; or
(2) Proceed with due caution and reduce the speed of the vehicle, maintaining a safe speed for road conditions, if changing lanes would be unsafe or impossible.
3. The motorman of every streetcar shall immediately stop such car clear of any intersection and keep it in such position until the emergency vehicle has passed, except as otherwise directed by a police or traffic officer.
4. An "emergency vehicle" is a vehicle of any of the following types:
(1) A vehicle operated by the state highway patrol, the state water patrol, the Missouri capitol police, a conservation agent, or a state park ranger, those vehicles operated by enforcement personnel of the state highways and transportation commission, police or fire department, sheriff, constable or deputy sheriff, federal law enforcement officer authorized to carry firearms and to make arrests for violations of the laws of the United States, traffic officer or coroner or by a privately owned emergency vehicle company;
(2) A vehicle operated as an ambulance or operated commercially for the purpose of transporting emergency medical supplies or organs;
(3) Any vehicle qualifying as an emergency vehicle pursuant to section 307.175;
(4) Any wrecker, or tow truck or a vehicle owned and operated by a public utility or public service corporation while performing emergency service;
(5) Any vehicle transporting equipment designed to extricate human beings from the wreckage of a motor vehicle;
(6) Any vehicle designated to perform emergency functions for a civil defense or emergency management agency established pursuant to the provisions of chapter 44;
(7) Any vehicle operated by an authorized employee of the department of corrections who, as part of the employee's official duties, is responding to a riot, disturbance, hostage incident, escape or other critical situation where there is the threat of serious physical injury or death, responding to mutual aid call from another criminal justice agency, or in accompanying an ambulance which is transporting an offender to a medical facility;
(8) Any vehicle designated to perform hazardous substance emergency functions established pursuant to the provisions of sections 260.500 to 260.550.
5. (1) The driver of any vehicle referred to in subsection 4 of this section shall not sound the siren thereon or have the front red lights or blue lights on except when such vehicle is responding to an emergency call or when in pursuit of an actual or suspected law violator, or when responding to, but not upon returning from, a fire.
(2) The driver of an emergency vehicle may:
(a) Park or stand irrespective of the provisions of sections 304.014 to 304.025;
( B) Proceed past a red or stop signal or stop sign, but only after slowing down as may be necessary for safe operation;
© Exceed the prima facie speed limit so long as the driver does not endanger life or property;
(d) Disregard regulations governing direction of movement or turning in specified directions.
(3) The exemptions granted to an emergency vehicle pursuant to subdivision (2) of this subsection shall apply only when the driver of any such vehicle while in motion sounds audible signal by bell, siren, or exhaust whistle as may be reasonably necessary, and when the vehicle is equipped with at least one lighted lamp displaying a red light or blue light visible under normal atmospheric conditions from a distance of five hundred feet to the front of such vehicle.
6. No person shall purchase an emergency light as described in this section without furnishing the seller of such light an affidavit stating that the light will be used exclusively for emergency vehicle purposes. 7. Violation of this section shall be deemed a class A misdemeanor.
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Here is an example, I do not believe it runs blue to the front because it also runs in NY where blue to the front is a no-no.
GWB Port Authority Fire Rescue Truck, George Washington Bridge, Fort Lee NJ | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
It is looks like a fire truck, sound like a fire truck, tastes like a fire truck... but its a police truck.
GWB Port Authority Fire Rescue Truck, George Washington Bridge, Fort Lee NJ | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
It is looks like a fire truck, sound like a fire truck, tastes like a fire truck... but its a police truck.
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Phoenix Fire Department apparatus all have R/B lights, as do most apparatus for Valley cities. This video shows an engine and a rescue during a daytime response.
These days most of the rigs are set up like this, with R/B bars and some R/B LEDs on the back, a mixture of Whelen and Fed Sig. All clear lenses. When they are parked they go to a traffic blocking mode with minimal amber in the bar and the power arcs sweeping the corners.
These days most of the rigs are set up like this, with R/B bars and some R/B LEDs on the back, a mixture of Whelen and Fed Sig. All clear lenses. When they are parked they go to a traffic blocking mode with minimal amber in the bar and the power arcs sweeping the corners.
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Nor do I, just trying to add to the conversation and point out that it's not uncommon elsewhere.
Hate to hi-jack the thread since it was originally referring to the "south" and Missouri isn't quite the South. But mfpd465 I think you're mistaking department policy with state statute. Microman quoted the statute and Missouri has never required 360 warning or blue/white lights and only red/blue to the rear. 307.175 is where it refers specifically to volunteers and blue lights. But it references 304.022 which covers all emergency vehicles which includes the use of red lights. This has became an issue before for some law enforcement who want to say you're only allowed blue lights. This has gone on to the the point the Attorney General has gave an opinion (which I would have to locate to reference) that has stated volunteer firefighters may use red and blue lights.
dusty said:
There's never been a legal problem here in Texas concerning the use of red/blue combinations or other uses of blue. Blue alone is not considered an emergency color, but with existing red (required by TX), blue and other colors are o.k. We're beginning to see the use here and there, but not yet widespread, of green on command vehicles. Now here's something interesting, and I've mentioned this in another thread where blue is questioned. A friend of mine who is the now-retired vol.fire chief in Hawley, TX (small town NE of Abilene) had regularly allowed his firemen to run red/blue combinations on their POVs. Texas volunteer firemen, EMTs and Paramedics can run lights and sirens on POVs in Texas. The only "catch" is that if they're going to run "hot" it has to be a full code 3. Lights only are no longer allowed.
Anyway, just out of the blue (no pun intended) my chief friend's men started getting pulled over by Texas DPS troopers who told the guys that blue was reserved for law enforcement only in Texas. No such thing! When my friend reported this to me, I had him contact the PIO with Texas DPS, Austin. They sent him a nice letter that stated that there is no restriction on blue in Texas. He duplicated the letter so that his men could have copies and they've had no further trouble. But I ran into the same thing "next door" in Odessa. I just happened to notice that one of the volunteer chiefs whom I know well was running red only on his chief's car and on his POV. I asked him why and he replied that "Texas" had told him that he couldn't run blue. I showed him a copy of the letter that my friend in Hawley had gotten. Problem solved. Now everyone has red/blue combinations.
pdk9
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i wish southern FL would allow a combination of red/blue on Fire and LEO vehicles (like texas)...fire apparatus could benefit from some blue at night and the LEO departments down in FL that run all blue (i.e. FL DOT) could benefit a lot on the bright, sunny days where their blue lights are drowned out by the sun. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening, and I'm surprised to see a piece of apparatus in FL with blue.
pdk9 said:
Are the LE agencies that run all blue in FL still using conventional rotating lightbars? I can understand the washout with them, but as I just commented on another thread, the technology with blue LEDs has been something else. Out in the bright Texas sunshine I saw a state vehicle all lit up with an LED bar with amber/blue LEDs, and that thing was bright!
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Each state adopts its own way of doing things. For instance, Illinois, in years past, would run red/blue for Fire and EMS, but Law Enforcement would only run all red or red/white. I have not been through Illinois in a few months, but when I ran through there on the way to Wisconsin, even the D.O.T road crews had blue on the rear and Red/Amber on top and front. Wisconsin on the other hand, used to run all red lights up until a few years ago, but the weird part is the wreckers. In Florida where I live now, wreckers run ALL amber or Amber/White. Security runs Amber/Green, but in Wisconsin, the wreckers run Amber/Red lightbars. Talk about confusing when your at a distance and you think your approaching an engine and you see it to be a wrecker. After bing in the Fire/EMS field for over 20yrs in Wisconsin and Florida, in Law Enforcement for the past 8 in Florida, there needs to be a uniformity across the board on what is allowed to run what. NFPA and the Ambulance Builders Association need to get it mandated that they all run red/white/amber combinations on Engines, Rescues and ambulances. Police needs to be reserved for Red/Blue. But here in Florida, its a wishy washy scenario. The Florida Highway Patrol.....designated as FHP vehicles, run Code 3 Javelin lightbars, with both red and blue. Red is designed to be active during the day and the photocell senses nightfall, it turns to blue. However, I think a majority of the Troopers complained and so they re-programmed them to be red/blue when running code and then depending on day or night, they switch to either red or blue. But then the Troopers got wise to all that and wanted to be red and blue all the time, so they switched pods to make the middle pods blue and the rest of the bar red, and vice versa at night! Its a logistical problem for us upfitters who bid all types of equipment and it amazes me at what some of the agencies dream up sometimes!
PursuitElectronics said:
I agree with what you say. Uniformity across the board would be nice, but I doubt it will ever happen. What I used to see, and it probably still happens, is driving across country in a vehicle with all red on top, and going thru a state where red is reserved for one agency or another. People used to get stopped right and left, just like the DPS troopers were doing here in TX as I note above. At one time Gall's was making a killing by selling lightbar covers that were labelled "Off duty" or something similar. Guess that would work, but I would think that if an LEO saw an out of state vehicle with a color not allowed there, he'd give them a break since they were obviously from out of state. But even that doesn't work all the time.
osufire3 said:
If you're having a hassle over running blue along with your existing reds, contact DPS Austin, Public Information Officer. You can probably Google the address, or better, a phone number. Remember, in Texas you can run blue along with existing red, as I've already said, but blue alone isn't legal for running "hot" in Texas (although I've seen it done). You can also contact the Hawley VFD in Hawley, TX (NE of Abilene) and see if they still have copies of the letter that their former chief got a few years ago.
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Here in Ole Miss most LEO's run blue, you might see a combination red/blue but it's rare. Blue lites here represent LEO, red is fire and ambulance..I have red LED's on the rear deck, sho-me (red) on the dash and LED's in the front grill of my 2010 black charger---I'm a volunteer FF, they cant be seen until I turn them on, you can see the sho-me on the dash..I have dark tint so it difficult to see them until I cut them on.
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I have yet to see blue on anything other that LEO vehicles here in Virginia. Looks like we are still pretty traditional with emergency lighting. Amber, sometimes mixed with clear, for service vehicles, tow trucks, DOT vehicles, etc. Red or red and clear for fire, EMS, and volunteers. Blue or red and blue for LEO vehicles. This does make it easier to figure out who's who at night.
stansdds said:
I like your comment about knowing "who's who" at night by the color of their lighting. For many years I've wondered how law enforcement or other emergency agencies in the states that use blue only have gotten by with blue only for so many years, considering that until the advent of the newer-generation LEDS, blue has been hard to see during the day. No problem at night, but daytime has been something else! I just wonder if there are statistics about how many units that run blue-only have been involved in daytime crashes compared to their red only or red/blue counterparts.
50theman said:
Toll road police have very limited police powers. There jurisdiction is only on the toll highways, parking lots and parking decks operated by the RMA. They are prohibited from using blue lights.