Code 3 being made in taiwan
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Outsider said:
I'm not trying to discredit any "competition" or their employees, seeing how as I'm a Whelen dealer. I've been told by Whelen, directly, that they use foreign products. And, as I stated, Tomar's are made in house at the Arizona facility. It is because of that, among other reasons, that they secured the federal contract.
EPD0407 said:
First, thanks for the spelling lesson! I'm on my iPhone, typing can be a challenge at times, so I appreciate the assist. Second, I never claimed to have sold those departments their lighting or promoted it as such - you asked who in your area had the brand, I told you. Plain and simple.
I am a dealer for Whelen, FedSig, and Code3. I'm not attempting show bias in anyway, just stating the facts as I know them. You seem rather aggressive and defensive in your posts, but there's really no need. SBPD wants nothing more to do with the Arjents... They've had moisture and lens coloring issues for the department. To quote Services Division Chief Horvath from my meeting with him 2 weeks ago, "Those Arjent things look dorky".
sbparkcop said:
Here is your "Authorized Brands Page" on your Facebook page.
Nah... no bias there.
Outsider said:Here is your "Authorized Brands Page" on your Facebook page.
Nah... no bias there.
Exactly. And my master distributor for those brands has also made me an authorized dealer for the other lighting manufacturers (Whelen/FedSig/Code3), which many members her can attest to. I'm not hiding anything that isn't already known. My focus on lighting brands is Tomar and Pimp Pods - again, not a secret.
Feel free to contact Sarah from Priority One, she's a member her. I'm sure she'd be happy to let you know I'm a dealer.
TritonBoulder47
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EPD0407 said:
One becomes authorized by coming into an agreement with a master distributor (Priority One in Livonia, MI) or the brand themselves (Tomar, Ark-La-Miss Lights) like I have done. :duh:
And yes, my business is insured for installations. Until such time a building is secured, all installations are to be performed on site. The person doing the installations is a 20yr old guy who has been doing installations, full time, for businesses in the Niles, MI and Columbia City, IN areas, respectively. He's done the installation work at Elkhart Police - fell free to check the quality of work. You are an Elkhart Police officer, correct?
As for being illegitimate, I'm not sure where that claim comes from. I have my LLC license from the State of Indiana, my sales tax agreement with the State of Indiana, and my federal tax ID number. Not sure what else I'd have to get to make me legitimate, in your eyes.
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TritonBoulder47
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TritonBoulder47 said:
Yeah... strangely EPD0407's posts have all been edited down to nothing. Could it be because I asked if he was really an Elkhart police officer, because I proved I was a legitimate businessman? Awkward. :suicide:
TritonBoulder47
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People need to do better research, or do some soert of research at all before starting shit... I see that EPD0407 had packed up his shit and left, now this "Outsider" character needs to figure out the difference between "Authorized Dealer" and "Master Distributor"
Add PowerArc to the list of manufacturers made in the US.
Light boards, manufactured in the US.
Control boards, manufactured in the US.
Light housings, manufactured in the US.
Light bar frames, manufactured in the US.
Motors sources from a US manufacturer.
Final assembly done in their Shrewsbuy, MO plant.
Light boards, manufactured in the US.
Control boards, manufactured in the US.
Light housings, manufactured in the US.
Light bar frames, manufactured in the US.
Motors sources from a US manufacturer.
Final assembly done in their Shrewsbuy, MO plant.
TritonBoulder47 said:
Umm... Perhaps the one who might need to do better research is you. This "character" never mentioned one word pertaining to someone being an authorized dealer or master distributor. I simply pointed out that while Tomar is listed, Code 3, Fed Sig and Whelen were not. It was part of the "Biased" discussion. But if you did your research you would have seen that. We can go back and read it together if you'd like.
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Outsider said:
Yes, can you please read it to me... I forgot that I'm an idiot and I don't have the ability to read. :bonk:
Outsider said:
+1000!
As someone who traveled to Chester, CT with my department not to long ago I can tell you I saw a tremendous amount of product being "Manufactured" by Whelen, not just assembled. I watched machines and workers stamp LED's onto a circuit board, alluminum being shapped into lightbar frames and brackets, lens's being cut, and sirens being assembled from scratch. I asked where Whelen got the LED's from and they told me from an American manufacturer, I though I heard GE but I honestly cant remember.
I can't imagine Whelen would go through all the trouble of promoting their "Manufactured in the U.S.A" logo on every product and catalog that comes out the door if it wasn't atleast 98% true. Thats a tremendous amount of false advertising to take on if its not. I know they have publically said they do purchase their siren drivers from overseas because they haven't found a quality manufacturer in America but I know the rest of their product is "Manufactured" here.
Bottom line, its American quality with American labor. Anytime I have a lightbar or lighthead go down I can call Whelen and the problem is addressed immediatley. Thats worth alot in my book.
And just so you dont think I'm all Whelen, I did just talk my department into the new Federal Bar for $6500 for our new SCU.
Flame on.
Wattco - Brent
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Wow - I have not heard so much miss-information from one or two posters here on this board in a long time.. I thought we were over BS miss-information and talking from ones butts...
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TheGatekeeper said:
Maybe you misread: I WENT TO THEIR FACTORY. I saw them making everything from scratch- reflector housings, domes, lenses, siren amplifiers- EVERYTHING. Most of it started as little plastic beads. The only part that was sourced out was hardware and printed circuit boards. It's not an assembly plant- it's a factory.
kitn1mcc
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also whelen has alot of workers who are take home workers they pick the parts assemble at home it works great
elite907
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TritonBoulder47 said:
sbparkcop said:
I read thru this whole thread , That is Funny As Hell.
How everyone can be friendly 1 minute and talk wrong about some lights and everyone is ready to Fight.
The way I see it is Who Cares where its made or how it is made, As long as it holds up to the conditions ,it is super bright and most of all affordable.
It's kinda like going to Wal-Mart, Lowes, Menard's , Sears or where ever you shop at. Almost 75% of the items we buy & use everyday come from overseas.
Look at the Vehicles we all drive , Not every part is made in the USA.
So as much as I hate to admit it ,There is not much these days that is truly 100% Made in the USA.
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elite907 said:
+1
A lot of people give me crap for owning a Nissan truck, but hey its made in Mississippi at a plant that employs a few thousand Americans, it takes Americans to ship it to dealers, it takes Americans to sell it, Americans to service it. But the problem I have is it takes foreign oil to fill it, but thats another thread!
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the motors, "cockpits" exhaust, radiators, evaps, and a ferw other parts are made here in tn.
I am a contracted worker for a nissan supplier.
I am a contracted worker for a nissan supplier.
Everyone is quick to dismiss knockoff or no name lights etc....but they some of them are made in the same foreign countries and citys such as these manufacturers. And the products are the same.
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freeagentmember13 said:
Yes and sorta no. It depends on the spec and the quality control. Remember when "made in Japan" meant it was junk, and now it's the world-standard for many items ?
A US or other company can engineer and spec a product well, then get it made offshore somewhere, and it'll come back (generally) as a good product. You can have a company do a poor engineering job and get it made in the US or Canada (just so you don't think I'm knocking American workers) and it'll be junky.
A great example is Harley-Davidson pre-1990. They just about went out of business because of the Japanese bikes and the poor engineering and build quality of HD. They adopted Japanese build and design principles, and have done exceptionally well over the last 20 years. Kinda ironic, huh? Unless you're Japanese
cameo89
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I had ordered some code 3 amber leds from a member here about 6-8 weeks ago and when they came to me I removed one of the mounting brackets, to see "Made in China" wow so I automaticly assumed I got screwed and got some KO junk, then once doing some researce I found that code 3 does in fact make/build leds in China. kinda disappointing
rad123 said:
Ummmm hate to burst you w bubble, but no its not. Not all whelen products are made in the US. Look it up on here. Only company IIRC who does make all there products in house is Tomar in AZ.
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MEVS06 said:
Oh? Where do they get their siren speaker drivers, I wonder?
I think you'll find that NO one makes all their products in-house. Welcome to the global market. Get used to it - it's not going to change in the foreseeable future.
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Not trying to stir the pot, but this reminds me of the bickering between Honda owners and Harley owners. Most Harley owners will tell you that their bike is 100% American, and my GoldWing isnt. Thats when I ask him how come the brake calipers on his bike have the same Japanese name as my bike. Its all in fun and who really cares....
On a side note, I have been to many classes at Whelen's facility in Chester, CT. They do have a heck of a manufacturing facility. While some of their parts may come from overseas, I would say most everything is made and assembled right there in CT and NH.
On a side note, I have been to many classes at Whelen's facility in Chester, CT. They do have a heck of a manufacturing facility. While some of their parts may come from overseas, I would say most everything is made and assembled right there in CT and NH.
I can't say I am surprised but I spent less than 15min looking and found that Tomar imports parts from overseas. it appears to be led transforms. I'm no expert and can't 100% verify this information but I feel it's safe to assume that there is no company that is truely 100% USA made. there has got to be at least 1 part of any product made overseas unless your talking about a 100% cotton t-shirt organically grown and stitched together in the USA or some similar process. I think there is an acceptable standard and expectation that there are some parts and materials that are made overseas and used in our American made products as was recently said welcome to the global market. as long as americans are employed and makeing a living what's the problem?
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