NYRRT...ummm what??

[Bigassfireman]

Just my observation on it: It seems that they may be doing a lot of the jobs that those of us who are getting paid do not want to do. I sure as hell don't want to be stuck providing rehab services, taking pictures, changing air bottles, setting up flood lights etc. when there is fire to be fought, people to be extricated. Shit, I think it fucking stupid for a fire department to be called to cut up trees if there is not an emergency, so why not let these guys help out when they can. Biggest cities in the country can't keep up with clearing trees and debris when big storms roll thru. Why do you think streets are closed off and power doesn't get restored for days, weeks? Because there are not enough people and resources to get it done. Side rant: With all that being said, the fake IAFF wannabe sticker makes me want to vomit. I earned the right to have my union sticker on my vehicles, and the only reason to have one that looks that close to mine is because you wish you had a real one.

 

[ryan81986]

With all that being said, the fake IAFF wannabe sticker makes me want to vomit. I earned the right to have my union sticker on my vehicles, and the only reason to have one that looks that close to mine is because you wish you had a real one.

We actually "banned" them from my department. Granted we can't tell people what they can and can't put on their own vehicles, but we strongly suggested that they be removed. No sense in making waves on purpose.

 

[FEltjaked]

I didn't know that NYC OEM had the authority to overrule the NYS V&TL. Also, if they are so legit, why do they have a section of Facebook pictures entitled "New Equipment" consisting of old firetrucks with the department names photoshopped out.



I think the question everyone is asking is WHY did they get the credentials. Is it because they are a properly trained and certified team that would be an asset rather than a hinderance, or because they greased the right pockets.

NYC OEM has nothing to do with these guys, they're not affiliated at all and no agency is allowed to overrun NYS V&TL. NYC never granted them to run L&S. Guys at OEM don't even know these people exist. Good that these guys will volunteer their time to clear out trees and stuff. But running red lights and sirens to jobs to buff them, like not even help out is not right. FDNY has their own RAC units available that respond to almost every fire to provide a "canteen" like service with Hot choc and gatorade. In NYC even Politicians have L&S in their cars. The DA of NYC has them, the comptroller, its just nyc...

 

[paro22]

Before we get to L&S fantasies, I think the bigger question that was originally posed still has not been answered...WHO are they? HOW do they fit in to ICS/Command...and HOW are they dispatched/requested?


I am all for properly-equipped supplemental units, whether Paid or Volley, to carry out necessary "non-emergent" tasks that can free up PD, FD, EMS for more critical duties. I think there are a lot of agencies in the NYC area that may stand to benefit from their services, especially if they are already welcomed by the likes of FDNY.


They clearly have some legitimacy - but it would be nice to know where/how exactly they fit it...(i.e. funding...are they "self-dispatched" or are they requested from FieldComm...what resources do they have available to offer (personnel & equipment)...etc)


I, for one, have never heard them mentioned in any of my FEMA/NYS OHS/US DHS/NY EMS etc trainings or refreshers...

 

[FEltjaked]

I believe they are self-dispatched. Barely any volunteer unit is actually dispatched by anyone. All the volunteer firehouses are dispatched but only if they have a crew, and only Oceanic and Richmond have a button on the FDNY dispatchers screen that actually gets them dispatched. I believe that VAS are not even dispatched unless they're called upon like with hurricane irene. PD never dispatches anyone except for their own including the NYC sheriffs office. Fieldcomm never calls requests from them...

 

[911]

they actually are more tied into FDNY than you think.................. i cannot go into details........... b/c alot of people are shit stirrers.........


also volly ambulances can get dispatched by fdny via the mars radio ........

 

[unlisted]

Lets end this thread.


I have an idea.


Someone who resides in the US call this number: 718-999-2056


Its the Press Office/Office of Public Information for the FDNY.


FDNY - Important Phone Numbers


Stop bitching back and forth- get it straight from the horses mouth. No sense having members bicker on here about something so mediocre- More so when everyone with the retorts won't offer direct information. (or speak in code...)


If this group is legit- someone at the FDNY can and will confirm- its not like these guys are undercover police or some nonsense..


Other than that, I'm done with this thread. Well, other than... opcorn:

 

[FF62]

they actually are more tied into FDNY than you think.................. i cannot go into details........... b/c alot of people are shit stirrers.........

also volly ambulances can get dispatched by fdny via the mars radio ........

That's a classic answer...the are not tied into the FDNY in ANY SHAPE OR FORM! They can go help out the community all they want...just don't run red lights and sirens to a job and end up standing around with your dick in your hand. I buffed a job where these guys where onscene...and FDNY Chief asked them where the RAC unit was...he pointed in the opposite direction...bunch of whackers....

 

[Trisdisp57]

If something happens in the city to the point that FDNY resources are completely overwhelmed, neighboring departments are called in to backfill their houses. REAL fire departments from Long Island, etc.

9/11 FDNY called out to long island vollies for assistance throughout nassau and suffolk county to stand by at there houses and ambulance post's. We did so because we are all part of the same team and we all have similar if not the same fire training, some vollies are FDNY also. We also left fire aparatus in the city to be staffed by FDNY when there aparatus was at ground zero.... they also used our trucks for Funerals.... We have called them to assist in industrial accidents or fires and they have come to help us to.


And When Irene hit, I got called out by NYSPD, as a vollie to cut apart trees that fell across the Southern State Parkway because it was a hazard to drivers... I signed up to protect life and property, sometimes you have to do things other people are paid to do or other departments are assigned to do because the work load is more then they can handle in a fast enough time.

 

[Ipuvaepe]

But mommy how come they can run hot and I can't? IIIITTTTSSSS NNNNOOOOTTTT FFAAAIIIRRRR!!!11!oneone *steps on the other kids shoes*


Can be a toddler or a daddys-little-girl (age 8-28)

 

[FireEMSPolice]

Wow! Some of the anti-volunteer union guys here..shame on you. The fire service started out as all volunteer.

 

[Hoser]

It does sound like its I cant run lights and sirens, but they can. There is some truth to that. I know a local department that pays its volunteers for the work that they preform and does not allow lights and sirens. They have a very tough time finding volunteers even at a pay rate of approx $9 an hour. A FD right outside the jurisdiction for that department, allows use of Red lights and sirens on POV. pays their people about $6 hour, just for fire calls, and has a waiting list of people. Go figure.........Yes its about running lights and sirens.

 

[FireMedic129]

Lets end this thread.


I have an idea.


Someone who resides in the US call this number: 718-999-2056


Its the Press Office/Office of Public Information for the FDNY.


FDNY - Important Phone Numbers


Stop bitching back and forth- get it straight from the horses mouth. No sense having members bicker on here about something so mediocre- More so when everyone with the retorts won't offer direct information. (or speak in code...)


If this group is legit- someone at the FDNY can and will confirm- its not like these guys are undercover police or some nonsense..


Other than that, I'm done with this thread. Well, other than... opcorn:

I did my part, I called and spoke to somebody. He wasnt aware of an offical affiliation with the FDNY.He gave me an email address to write to and they would find the information i am asking for. the email address is: FDNYOPI@FDNY.NYC.GOV


If it is really that big of a deal to you then feel free to write an email!

 

[FEltjaked]

Wait they get paid to volunteer? how is that paid then? wouldn't that be like a part time kind of thing? Hoser please PM me explaining that, it's quite interesting!


And this thread was never supposed to be about being Anti-volley to anyone, so if someones feelings got hurt about that as the OP I am sorry...this thread is over, if people can't talk about a department/organization, well then it does not matter. I hope everyone has a great week and happy buying and selling!