Safety as an excuse for laziness

Doug

Member
May 23, 2010
1,151
Maryland
unlisted said:
Yea uhm.. Did I say that? No, I said there are some very sound reasons. Of course the building has to be cleared, etc. However with the more modern building materials, its pretty much going to be a loss before a fire dept even arrives on scene with the speed materials/structure burns.

Lack of knowledge? Uhm, quite the opposite. Balls to do the job has nothing to do with it.


Life is far greater than property. Property can be replaced/rebuilt- life cannot.

Agreed. While I'm in favor of aggressive firefighting tactics, I'm also in favor of my people returning to the firehouse/home/where ever they came from fully intact. It comes down to a judgment call, where you must weigh the gains against the costs, and the likelihood of something going very, very wrong.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating putting a ladder pipe into a room and contents, but I'm not sure I see much good coming out of trying to do a search on a building that's completely off. My department used to have a sign hanging up - "Risk a lot to save a lot, risk some to save some, risk none to save none."
 

vc859

Member
Oct 31, 2010
169
USA/ New York
I think I need to make myself clear, because it is apparent that I am being misunderstood.


I am not saying we need to be making interior attacks on abandoned, fully involved buildings with flames self venting from the roof. That is a suicide mission and I know it.


But, there are certain cases where buildings that would have been salvageable are total losses and where room and contents fires type turn into fully involved structure fires because of a lack of interior attack and other poor tactics (ladder pipe through the roof as a primary attack).


Not to mention there is also a public perception problem. If someone's house is on fire, they call the fire department expecting the fire to be put out with a minimum of damage to life and property. When that doesn't happen, public (i.e. taxpayer) perception turns unfavorable and could lead to dangerous situations (homeowners trying to put fires out themselves because they don't think the fire department will). Not to mention the media and activist s***storm that would occur if a child was to die while the fire department "stood outside and did nothing".


Now again, if the building is obviously too far gone, or a collapse risk, or unstable etc...then yes, protect exposures and conduct defensive ops. But, a room and contents or appliance fire should not have the end result of the entire building being demolished because of defensive operations, barring special circumstances.
 

WS224

Member
Nov 28, 2010
1,049
West Tennessee
vc859 said:
I am not saying we need to be making interior attacks on abandoned, fully involved buildings with flames self venting from the roof. That is a suicide mission and I know it.
Not if you put it out as you go.
 

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