2007 Ford Explorer Sport Trac

rintoul

Member
Feb 5, 2013
162
burlington/kelowna CAN
Front:


Warn Winch


Whelen Pioneer


Whelen SA315P X2


Whelen Vertex Green


Whelen Dominator 2 Green Tir3 X2


Interior:


Whelen Spitfire Plus Green


Whelen Inner Edge Green/White with takedown


Dash Camera


Whelen Cencom Gold X2


Uniden Scanner


Sirius radio


Cobra CB


Blackberry playbook


Toshiba Laptop


Roof:


Whelen Slim Pioneer


3 antennas


2 puck antennas


Side:


Whelen Green Tir3


Rear:


Whelen Tir3 Traffic Bar


Whelen red/white vertex


Whelen Green Tir3 license plate


i am going to ge changing the green out for RED/Amber/White Nforce in the front and the whelen tir3 green in the side window to red/white whelen ions and the green tir3 in the back to red/white

 
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pdk9

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May 26, 2010
3,834
New York & Florida
i loved it when i saw it a few weeks ago and I still love it!


When you swap out colors and upgrade the vehicle, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't get any split color lightheads (i.e. half white/half red ions), b/c you'll ruin the effectiveness of what is currently a solid setup. I can see that you're a whelen guy, but I would love to see SOS Intersectors


2 questions:


1) Why the need for 2 cencoms? And, can you show us interior pics of everything setup?


2) What are the lighting laws in Canada? I've heard blue can be used for plow, green is a courtesy light for VFF, etc. but I'd rather hear it from someone actually in Canada (rather than someone just googling it and pasting a link that I have to read through lol)
 

rintoul

Member
Feb 5, 2013
162
burlington/kelowna CAN
ho so i have already changes to split color i enjoy them dont see and harmfull effects. i have 2 cencoms because of all the functions i have. canadian laws are as follows:


vff can run red white green and amber to the back and sides of vehciles. we can only run green and amber to the front.


blue is reserved for snowplows


red blue is for police


redwhite is for fire


and amber is allowed for all


green is only allowed for vff and CSIS. CSIS is our verson of FBI/CIA
 

NERT11

Member
Jul 3, 2012
196
Ontario, Canada
Good lord... where are you in ontario that allows that set up? It could just be different interpretations of the law, but we only run one green module. I have a Feniex python 600 in my dash, and I though I was pushing it. I've always been for having some sort of side and rear lighting for identification, but... wow! That's a pretty extensive setup. Have you never had issues with the police?
 

nightwolf

Member
Oct 26, 2011
241
US Northeast
Here's probably not the best place to admit that... Pretty cool that the Canadian "feds" run the same color as volunteer. That probably helps green get some respect, but then again, how often do people see them running code 3 with green lights.
 

acala91

Member
Oct 15, 2010
1,662
FL
rintoul said:
no i do not run red/white to fire calls it is against our policy. i do run red/white and sometimes siren for other things

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Grab some popcorn folks, this is about to get good.
 

NERT11

Member
Jul 3, 2012
196
Ontario, Canada
It's a really neat set-up no doubt, but I just don't understand how, or why you would even risk putting red/white with sirens on your personal vehicle. That's just taunting the law.
 

Ben G

Member
May 24, 2010
342
Ontario, Canada
So to clarify, you mention that CSIS runs green? I was not aware of that since the RCMP follow the same lighting regulations as established in each province. Wondering if you could direct us to the legislation that indicates this. Since CSIS is the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, they do not conduct escorts, VIP security, or anything similar. So to run with green lights nationally is something that I have not heard of before and would sure like more information on that.


Ben
 

rintoul

Member
Feb 5, 2013
162
burlington/kelowna CAN
To claify it is not illegal to have red/white and a siren it is illehal to use them on public road without permission. As far as csis running green only info I have is that the federal goverment uses gReen lights.
 

OVERKILL

Member
Jan 27, 2012
448
hamilton ontario canada

not sure if you know this but if you get caught with a brand new device in the box that has the abilility to mimick or sound similar to a law enforcement vehicle you can be charged it doesnt even have to be hooked up
 

acala91

Member
Oct 15, 2010
1,662
FL
rintoul said:
My trucxk is a demo truck so that why I have them. The hwy traccif act says that they can not be use on the roads

Ahh okay, so now it's a demo vehicle. Okay, what ever you say. :rolleyes:


*cough*whacker*cough*
 

Firetrux

Member
Mar 1, 2012
159
Cincinnati, Ohio
A Blackberry Playbook, a laptop, a scanner, a CB, Sirius Radio, but nothing remotely indicating official use? Whackerism should be considered a crime.


This isn't a motor vehicle citation here. How many years does it get you up there?
 

got_yogurt

Member
May 21, 2010
539
BC, Canada
So much mis-information in this thread. CSIS will run different colours depending on the province. The lighting laws vary province to province. I've posted Ontario laws below. There is no exemption for "Demo Vehicles", if the vehicle is equipped with red lights and operated on a highway, it is subject to seizure and fine if caught by an astute officer. I've personally never seen CSIS run green, I'm skeptical as to this claim.


Intermittent red light restricted


(14) Subject to subsections (14.1) and (15), no person shall use a lamp, other than the vehicular hazard warning signal lamps commonly known as four way flashers, that produces intermittent flashes of red light. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 62 (14); 2007, c. 13, s. 17 (1).


Red and blue lights to the front restricted


(14.1) In addition to the lighting requirements in this Part, a police department vehicle may carry lamps that cast red and blue lights, but no other motor vehicle shall carry any lamp that casts red and blue lights to the front. 2007, c. 13, s. 17 (2).


Red light in front


(15) In addition to the lighting requirements in this Part, a vehicle described in subsection (15.1) may carry lamps that cast a red light only or such other colour of light that may, with the approval of the ministry, be designated by a by-law of the municipality in which the vehicle is operated, but no other motor vehicle shall carry any lamp that casts a red light to the front. 1998, c. 35, s. 103.


Same


(15.1) The following are vehicles to which subsection (15) applies:


1. An ambulance, fire department vehicle, police department vehicle, public utility emergency vehicle or school bus.


2. A ministry vehicle operated by an officer appointed for carrying out the provisions of this Act or the Public Vehicles Act, while the officer is in the course of his or her employment.


3. A vehicle while operated by a conservation officer, fishery officer, provincial park officer or mine rescue training officer, while the officer is in the course of his or her employment.


4. A vehicle while operated by a provincial officer designated under the Environmental Protection Act, the Nutrient Management Act, 2002, the Ontario Water Resources Act, the Pesticides Act, the Safe Drinking Water Act, 2002 or the Toxics Reduction Act, 2009, while the officer is in the course of his or her employment.


5. A prescribed class or type of vehicle, driven by a prescribed class of persons or engaged in a prescribed activity or in prescribed conditions or circumstances. 1998, c. 35, s. 103; 2002, c. 4, s. 64; 2002, c. 18, Sched. P, s. 19 (2); 2007, c. 13, s. 17 (3, 4); 2009, c. 19, s. 68 (1).


Green flashing light restricted


(16) The following persons may carry on or in his or her vehicle and operate a lamp that produces intermittent flashes of green light:


1. A firefighter, within the meaning of subsection 1 (1) of the Fire Protection and Prevention Act, 1997, while proceeding to a fire or other emergency.


2. A prescribed class of volunteer medical responder, while driving a prescribed class or type of vehicle or engaging in a prescribed activity or in prescribed conditions or circumstances. 2007, c. 13, s. 17 (5).


Same


(16.1) No person other than a person described in subsection (16) shall operate a lamp that produces intermittent flashes of green light. 1994, c. 35, s. 1.


~ ~ ~


Flashing blue light on snow-removal equipment


(31) No person shall, while operating a road service vehicle on a highway, plow, salt or de-ice the highway or apply chemicals or abrasives to the highway for snow or ice control unless the road service vehicle is equipped with a lamp producing intermittent flashes of blue light visible for a distance of 150 metres from all directions. 1996, c. 33, s. 11.


Restriction on use of flashing blue light


(32) No person shall operate a lamp that produces intermittent flashes of blue light on a highway except,


(a) a person operating a road service vehicle in the circumstances described in subsection (31); or


( B) a person operating a police department vehicle, together with a lamp that produces intermittent flashes of red light, as permitted by subsection (14.1). 2007, c. 13, s. 17 (8).
 

rintoul

Member
Feb 5, 2013
162
burlington/kelowna CAN
This is about to get a lot better "myprixxx" haha. "Got_ygurt" you are completly right like I stated before it is illegal under the highway traffic act to those types of devices but is states nothing about haveing them in a vehicle. You are incorrect about the fed they run the same colors across the country regardless of the province I have personally seen black tahoes running green with sirens and I was told they where "federal". It also says nothing about white being illegal.
 

Firetrux

Member
Mar 1, 2012
159
Cincinnati, Ohio
It does not say anything about flashing white in that section.


In my state white lights are regulated under the headlight, fog light section. No more than 5 white total to the front more than 300 candlepower. And absolutely NO flashing white lights (unless specifically exempted under other specific vehicle operation sub-sections i.e. emergency vehicle, rural postal delivery, sections)
 

myprixxx

Member
Sep 4, 2010
70
Illinois
rintoul said:
This is about to get a lot better "myprixxx" haha. "Got_ygurt" you are completly right like I stated before it is illegal under the highway traffic act to those types of devices but is states nothing about haveing them in a vehicle. You are incorrect about the fed they run the same colors across the country regardless of the province I have personally seen black tahoes running green with sirens and I was told they where "federal". It also says nothing about white being illegal.

Lol great grammar catch ;)


And just because someone told you those tahoes were federal doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. And you said in an earlier post that white/red was for the fire department. It seemed as if you were calling it wrong, then making it acceptable for yourself
 

rintoul

Member
Feb 5, 2013
162
burlington/kelowna CAN
myprixxx said:
Lol great grammar catch ;)

And just because someone told you those tahoes were federal doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. And you said in an earlier post that white/red was for the fire department. It seemed as if you were calling it wrong, then making it acceptable for yourself

Red and white is for firedepartment but for the vff who respond to the station is a different situation
 

unlisted

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May 20, 2010
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rintoul said:
Red and white is for firedepartment but for the vff who respond to the station is a different situation

Sigh.


I was waiting for this vehicle to show up here.


Just so everyone is clear I can CONFIRM the following:


CSIS Does NOT, I SAY AGAIN, CSIS DOES NOT RUN GREEN. (don't ask me how I know, no, I do not work for them, but I DO know)


Where I THINK the OP MAY be getting confused is.. Let me guess.. you saw a "VIP" or other "dark vehicle" escort with a single small green light to the rear, either flashing, or steady on, in and/or around the third brake light... am I right?


If so, thats RCMP. And its not used as a warning light, its one of their convoy lights when they are in convoy formation. Sometimes they "accidentally" get left on, even when no other warning lights are flashing.


VFF CANNOT run any other colors than green. Toss white into the mix, and you are pushing it. Do I use white? Sure, however VERY rarely will I use it. (side markers) Don't believe me? I can put you in touch with some good friends in the OPP.


The only "VFF" vehicles which can run more than green is DEPT OWNED fire apparatus.. So, if the fire dept issues a suv/car/truck to its officers/chief, they can run red/white/green as they see fit, along with sirens. Quite a number of smaller VFF depts will actually have a green light tossed onto their larger apparatus as well, just to signify the whole "VFF" status.


And before anyone calls me out on it, YES, I DO have RED- to the rear (taillight flasher)- however the ONLY time its used is when my vehicle is FIRMLY in PARK, and only if traffic conditions warrant it. (ie: Stopped at an accident on the side of a busy highway, etc) I never EVER have my vehicle in motion with red on. I also have green to the rear, and I have been to enough random accidents over the past 5 years and only asked once why.. Scene safety and the officer was fine with it. (he also made sure I had nothing red to the front)


Only people in Ontario who can legally run green is Volunteer Fire Fighters (who are signed off by their chief or dept signing authority), Halotazah on official calls, and Fleet owned vehicles of St. John Ambulance. (This is as per the Highway Traffic Act of Ontario)


Don't believe me? Look at my "occupation".
 
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unlisted

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Also worth to note.. CSIS is NOT the Canadian version of FBI.. .RCMP is.


CSIS is more closely related to CIA.


The Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS, pron.: /ˈssɪs/; French: Service canadien du renseignement de sécurité, SCRS) is Canada's primary national intelligence service. It is responsible for collecting, analyzing, reporting and disseminating intelligence on threats to Canada's national security, and conducting operations, covert and overt, within Canada and abroad.[3]


Canadian Security Intelligence Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


https://www.csis.gc.ca/bts/mssnvsn-eng.asp


Pretty awesome agency.
 

rintoul

Member
Feb 5, 2013
162
burlington/kelowna CAN
unlisted said:
Sigh.

I was waiting for this vehicle to show up here.


Just so everyone is clear I can CONFIRM the following:


CSIS Does NOT, I SAY AGAIN, CSIS DOES NOT RUN GREEN. (don't ask me how I know, no, I do not work for them, but I DO know)


Where I THINK the OP MAY be getting confused is.. Let me guess.. you saw a "VIP" or other "dark vehicle" escort with a single small green light to the rear, either flashing, or steady on, in and/or around the third brake light... am I right?


If so, thats RCMP. And its not used as a warning light, its one of their convoy lights when they are in convoy formation. Sometimes they "accidentally" get left on, even when no other warning lights are flashing.


VFF CANNOT run any other colors than green. Toss white into the mix, and you are pushing it. Do I use white? Sure, however VERY rarely will I use it. (side markers) Don't believe me? I can put you in touch with some good friends in the OPP.


The only "VFF" vehicles which can run more than green is DEPT OWNED fire apparatus.. So, if the fire dept issues a suv/car/truck to its officers/chief, they can run red/white/green as they see fit, along with sirens. Quite a number of smaller VFF depts will actually have a green light tossed onto their larger apparatus as well, just to signify the whole "VFF" status.


And before anyone calls me out on it, YES, I DO have RED- to the rear (taillight flasher)- however the ONLY time its used is when my vehicle is FIRMLY in PARK, and only if traffic conditions warrant it. (ie: Stopped at an accident on the side of a busy highway, etc) I never EVER have my vehicle in motion with red on. I also have green to the rear, and I have been to enough random accidents over the past 5 years and only asked once why.. Scene safety and the officer was fine with it. (he also made sure I had nothing red to the front)


Only people in Ontario who can legally run green is Volunteer Fire Fighters (who are signed off by their chief or dept signing authority), Halotazah on official calls, and Fleet owned vehicles of St. John Ambulance. (This is as per the Highway Traffic Act of Ontario)


Don't believe me? Look at my "occupation".



thanks for the clarification yes your right it was in the rear window but also upfront and was using siren so i dont know what thats about. VFF can also run amber if they choose. and the next closest fire dept does use green in there official trucks like there tanker i personally think its a good idea helps publicizes the green light meaning. i am with you i only use my red/white and amber in the rear when i am parked on or off to the side of the road just for rear protection. i also know a lot of opp personal and they tell me that "LEGALLY" you cant run red to the back or white in the front or back but if used for just rear protection and used responsible they wont bug you. thanks again
 

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