Battalion Chief with Green Command LEDs in a Freedom
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I like that idea (the lower level green in the Freedom 2). The rear TA, however, seems like it's a waste of money because of the length of the vehicle.
Need some rear deck lights and move the TA to the rear roof. Maybe some Rear side window warning too...
More rear warning is a must. As much as they spent on the stickers for the rear you could of got a nice denied light traffic bar. Especially on this site since everyone either sells them used or is a vendor. Overall nice rig.
I like it. Definitely better than drilling an extra hole for a beacon that might only occasionally get used.
I do have to question the theory/usage of green as a command light in general. I've had a fair amount of experience with large multi-agency/multi-jurisdictional incidents and can only think of a few where I saw a green light designation the command post (and both times the light were on large mobile command vehicles that were clearly identifiable as such). Even if I'm arriving on a scene and not entirely sure who's in charge/where they are, I don't have any problem grabbing the first person I see and asking "hey, where's command/staging/etc.?"
In theory, it seems like a good idea to have the light as a uniform way to identify the CP, but in practice, it just seems like an unnecessary thing which serves only the purpose of making those in command feel more important. That's just my opinion though, and it may be influenced moreso by regional influences, who knows? Sorry for going a bit off topic.
I do have to question the theory/usage of green as a command light in general. I've had a fair amount of experience with large multi-agency/multi-jurisdictional incidents and can only think of a few where I saw a green light designation the command post (and both times the light were on large mobile command vehicles that were clearly identifiable as such). Even if I'm arriving on a scene and not entirely sure who's in charge/where they are, I don't have any problem grabbing the first person I see and asking "hey, where's command/staging/etc.?"
In theory, it seems like a good idea to have the light as a uniform way to identify the CP, but in practice, it just seems like an unnecessary thing which serves only the purpose of making those in command feel more important. That's just my opinion though, and it may be influenced moreso by regional influences, who knows? Sorry for going a bit off topic.
I wouldn't recognize that as a command post light. If I knew enough about the dept to know that was a command beacon .... I'd already know the unit well enough not to need the green.
Those of you who said it seemed effective.... I have to ask... effective at what?
Raising the green beacon above the height of the vehicle and keeping it in the center as one unit seems to be key components of a command light..... spreading it out into 4 lightheads (2 spots) makes it looks like just part of the warning system...... why give up primary warning at a 45 degree angle to gain a light that will be used when stationary only? I would not recognize that as command post lighting.....
It's not a good way to designate a command post and a waste of critical intersection warning...... in my opinion.
Keep the corner modules for what they were intended and add a green separate single beacon if it is needed to designate a command post.
.....of course I also have issue with the non-nfpa compliant white to the rear....that's another issue.
Those of you who said it seemed effective.... I have to ask... effective at what?
Raising the green beacon above the height of the vehicle and keeping it in the center as one unit seems to be key components of a command light..... spreading it out into 4 lightheads (2 spots) makes it looks like just part of the warning system...... why give up primary warning at a 45 degree angle to gain a light that will be used when stationary only? I would not recognize that as command post lighting.....
It's not a good way to designate a command post and a waste of critical intersection warning...... in my opinion.
Keep the corner modules for what they were intended and add a green separate single beacon if it is needed to designate a command post.
.....of course I also have issue with the non-nfpa compliant white to the rear....that's another issue.
I don't care for the green flashing. rather have them go into cruise mode and shut the red down.
zacmtz7 said:
Good idea.....I'd say in steady burn as the only lights activated that might work....... I still say a low profile green LED beacon on top of the bar works better.
JohnMarcson said:
Definitely, but it would also look like ass. I think this is a slick compromise.
C420sailor said:
IMHO It is a utility vehicle, designed to serve a purpose. It doesn't need to look good. If agencies would spend less on looking good they wouldn't be whining about budget shortfalls. Just sayin....
badge22 said:
Agreed... Also, I've seen antennas bigger than some LED beacons. A big-ass green strobe or rotator used to look really badd on top of a lightbar.... but a small LED beacon is bareley noticable. I understand the vehicle is trying to look "clean" or "slick" but it's a marked dept vehicle. Ity needs to do it's designated job.
Why not keep a green throw-light in the glove box? I wonder how often the command lights are actually used...
jprleedy4680 said:
I saw a green beacon affixed to a tripod/pole that worked great...... it was setup next to the truck and plugged into it. If the beacon were LED you could make it battery powered.
Front and rear center 500 series were wired to a "Command" button on the CenCom along with the cruise lights.
It looks like a new trend is starting, green in the lightbars. In Sydney Australia all FD chiefs vehicles have green LEDs in the middle of the lightbars for command.
Grand Prairie TX has Freedoms with green lower outers on their Batt. Chief Tahoe's now. They will shut the red/clear off and all 4 corners are on a slow simultanious flash.
HILO said:
This is the closest this theory comes to being viable... slow flash, nothing else on........
I thought I'd seen language that it needed to be elevated, but this brief description doesn't mention that:
https://www.fema.gov/nimscast/Glossary.do
Maybe it says something deeper in the guidelines.
I can't see where being mounted at bumper level would accomplish much since it wouldn't be visible throughout the scene. The roof rack mounted greens are a better application.
The quote does specify 'rotating or flashing' so steady burn would not seem to comply.
https://www.fema.gov/nimscast/Glossary.do
Maybe it says something deeper in the guidelines.
I can't see where being mounted at bumper level would accomplish much since it wouldn't be visible throughout the scene. The roof rack mounted greens are a better application.
The quote does specify 'rotating or flashing' so steady burn would not seem to comply.