Crazy Pursuit in LA results in a cluster f....

rwo978

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May 21, 2010
5,196
ND, USA
no comment.... except for "nice hair Bozo (the clown)," you look like a friggen goober.


stigma filled...
 

coleman1126

Member
Jul 26, 2010
53
Columbia, MS
Were this many cops really needed to get one guy out a vehicle and get him in cuffs? With the SO I work for we only have three officers on shift at a time to cover the whole county and I have never seen a time that it took more than the three of us to get someone out of his car and in to ours.
 

11b101abn

New Member
Jun 10, 2010
549
Georgia, United States
coleman1126 said:
Were this many cops really needed to get one guy out a vehicle and get him in cuffs? With the SO I work for we only have three officers on shift at a time to cover the whole county and I have never seen a time that it took more than the three of us to get someone out of his car and in to ours.


Lol. I'm sure your SO could school LAPD on how to conduct pursuits................. :roll:


The patrol level tactics/training of LAPD are far above those of most other agencies of any size.


.............and a huge fail to the moron civves talking trash on that car domain BS site.
 

coleman1126

Member
Jul 26, 2010
53
Columbia, MS
Ha actually no I seriously doubt we could teach them anything about pursuits most of the time we just follow them untill their dumb ass runs their car into a ditch on these curvy roads we have. But it think we might could teach them how to get the guy into cuffs without the use of more than one or two officers.
 

mcpd2025

Member
May 20, 2010
1,557
Maryland, USA
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't like LAPD pursuit tactics. This guy rammed a civilian car, drove at a high rate of speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians nearby, and drove recklessly on the road. LAPD following behind and wrecking into trees and what not doesn't really help. This video went on for a minute and a half before someone finally had the nuts to put his bumper in the door and prevent any further damage/fleeing. If their intent is to follow and wait for something to happen, then use the helicopter and have patrol units back off. The patrol units look stupid chasing this guy around in circles, and he is obviously doing it to have fun. I would prefer if they box him, ram him, pit him, use spike strips... do something. Just wandering around behind him isn't very productive.
 

HILO

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May 20, 2010
2,781
Grand Prairie Texas
Ben E. said:
Whoops @ 00:40 when the cruiser rams the light pole.

All these years and I've been calling those Palm Trees! :p
 

DaveCN5

Member
May 22, 2010
703
South East Michigan
I think they need to do some training so they don't have a bad cross fire situation, not to mention having an officer punch the suspect numerous times as a defense tactic as opposed to using a taser or mace. And you would think with that many officers present, somone would have at least checked on the driver of the silver car and then escorted them to safety, instead of having 20 officers uselessly surround the same car.
 

Ben E.

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May 21, 2010
2,417
Iowa, USA
HILO said:
All these years and I've been calling those Palm Trees! :p


Okysillydokeyo, I'm an idiot! I didn't even bother to look up from the point of impact to check...
 

cutiger

Member
Jun 11, 2010
370
SC
HILO said:
All these years and I've been calling those Palm Trees! :p
Don't give him too much trouble, I bet there is 2 palm trees in all of Iowa. :lol: :p
 

mfaith91

Member
May 23, 2010
166
Kentucky
This can't be real... I couldn't hear any screeching sounds, or sirens, or any radio traffic from the helicopter.... so... it can't be real!
 

Stendec

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May 21, 2010
816
11b101abn said:
Lol. I'm sure your SO could school LAPD on how to conduct pursuits................. :roll:


The patrol level tactics/training of LAPD are far above those of most other agencies of any size.


.............and a huge fail to the moron civves talking trash on that car domain BS site.

Actually, maybe they could - LAPD has had so many suits and consent decrees go against them, and a pretty rocky history, they aren't really the model of progessive, professional law enforcement, if they ever were.. What they do have is a great PR machine, but even that hasn't been doing so hot. They don't train there cops any better or worse than most big agencies, where the primary job of the Academy is to manufacture clones at high cost-efficiency.


Certain agencies like the FBI, LAPD and CHP get a lot of hype, because they've been hyped a lot. J. Edgar Hoover actively sought out Hollywood for the '60s program on the FBI and required his agents to provide whatever assistance was needed, but only when he was given the ability to approve every script and episode. And this was when he was playing lingerie model with Clyde Tolson and directing the agency to do patently illegal things to get and maintain political clout. Even after the rigime change the Bureau was rife with problems, little things like agents who were commie spys and a crime lab with zero internal auditing.


And if you don't believe me, ask somebody from LAPD, or the FBI.
 

Stendec

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May 21, 2010
816
I got bored during the typical pigpile, but that looked pretty tame to me. You didn't have the three cruisers abreast riding 3 inches off his bumper, trailing another 30 cars behind. They maintained a healthy separation, it looked like only a couple primaries involved, and it ended like they usually do, with drums of adrenaline flowing down the gutter. You can't get TWO cops to agree on how to handle anything, no way a dozen who aren't used to working as a team are going to make it look like Hollywood. But life is messy.


A canine, flash-bang or blast dispersion grenade would've brought him out of the car a lot faster.
 

11b101abn

New Member
Jun 10, 2010
549
Georgia, United States
Stendec said:
Actually, maybe they could - LAPD has had so many suits and consent decrees go against them, and a pretty rocky history, they aren't really the model of progessive, professional law enforcement, if they ever were.. What they do have is a great PR machine, but even that hasn't been doing so hot. They don't train there cops any better or worse than most big agencies, where the primary job of the Academy is to manufacture clones at high cost-efficiency.


Certain agencies like the FBI, LAPD and CHP get a lot of hype, because they've been hyped a lot. J. Edgar Hoover actively sought out Hollywood for the '60s program on the FBI and required his agents to provide whatever assistance was needed, but only when he was given the ability to approve every script and episode. And this was when he was playing lingerie model with Clyde Tolson and directing the agency to do patently illegal things to get and maintain political clout. Even after the rigime change the Bureau was rife with problems, little things like agents who were commie spys and a crime lab with zero internal auditing.


And if you don't believe me, ask somebody from LAPD, or the FBI.


I maintain that the tactics at PATROL level are above what most agencies use. Your post is interesting, though.
 

mcpd2025

Member
May 20, 2010
1,557
Maryland, USA
11b101abn said:
I maintain that the tactics at PATROL level are above what most agencies use. Your post is interesting, though.

Trust me, there is nothing I like less than agreeing with Stendec, but I have to disagree with you. If I remember correctly, when LAPD is dispatched to a Code 3 call, only 1 unit is authorized a Code 3 response and backup has to respond Code 1. Robbery, burglary, shooting, assault, etc etc you want multiple units on scene quickly to form a perimeter and increase likliehood of on scene arrest.


If this practice is followed, there is little chance of on scene arrest in cases like this. In reality, this practice is NOT followed, and backup units respond in an unauthorized manner to get to the scene quicker. I understand that LAPD is trying to reduce collisions with this method, but it is NOT an effective tactic as far as patrol oriented police work is concerned.
 

Stendec

Member
May 21, 2010
816
11b101abn said:
I maintain that the tactics at PATROL level are above what most agencies use. Your post is interesting, though.

O.W. Wilson and August Vollmer, two of the leading proponents of professionalizing policing during the 20th century, both worked at Cali agencies and did a lot of their research at Berkeley and UCal. People always assumed that they worked alongside LAPD, being the biggest agency in the state, but there actually had relatively little to do with LAPD. But at that time "California" meant "LA," and people just assumed that as Wilson and Vollmer spread the gospel on professionalization, they had to be talking about LAPD.


LAPD did reinvent the Mobile Field Force model, given the number of disturbances they have had, but even that is essentially a modernization of shoving as many club-swinging neanderthals as possible into each car and prepositioning them for a fight, just like cops have done since the invention of rowdy crowds.
 

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