TritonBoulder47
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I've always had the front center steady head... I just changed it from a CON-3 to a LIN-6. I've also always had the rear ambers as well...
You should buy my truck... lol
Custom Whelen Liberty - Version 2
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OK, in a stroke of good luck, I was able to find my diodes... Now, I'm not that keen on diodes and the such, so I have a quick inquiry...
I know that when using a diode on the power side, it needs to "point" towards the device... But when using a diode on the ground side, it would need to "point" away from the device... Am I correct on this logic...?
I'll be working on this tomorrow night, so if all goes well I should have another video up... I guess I'm on V2.6 now...? lol
The doide needs to "point" in the direction you want the "flow" of electricty to go. If you're familiar with plumbing, it's similar in nature to a check-valve.
TritonBoulder47
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So my thinking is correct, then... lol First time for everything I guess.. lol
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OK, now I'm stuck and in need of some assistance...
Apparently my theory wasn't 100% correct...
I made my "Y" using 2 IN5407 diodes. I hooked the power for the alley to the Red wire, and connected one side of the ground. But once I connected the other side of the ground to the front corner, the alley lit up (without it being activated) and since the alley is the primary, I can get the Cannon to flash with the corner... Am I doing something wrong here...?
Any help would be appreciated...
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As of right now, I can make my Cannons function as EITHER Alley Lights, OR Warning Lights, but not BOTH... I'd really like to have them function as both... If Not, I'll see if I can set my SOS Mini LED3s to steady and tie them into the corner heads...
Apparently my theory wasn't 100% correct...
I made my "Y" using 2 IN5407 diodes. I hooked the power for the alley to the Red wire, and connected one side of the ground. But once I connected the other side of the ground to the front corner, the alley lit up (without it being activated) and since the alley is the primary, I can get the Cannon to flash with the corner... Am I doing something wrong here...?
Any help would be appreciated...
Edit:
As of right now, I can make my Cannons function as EITHER Alley Lights, OR Warning Lights, but not BOTH... I'd really like to have them function as both... If Not, I'll see if I can set my SOS Mini LED3s to steady and tie them into the corner heads...
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The Cannon has no way to know which source of ground is switched on, as it has only one ground wire. +12v DC is always present on both the alley light positive wire and on the corner module positive wire in the Liberty.
So whenever either ground comes on, the Cannon sees ground, and sees power on both its secondary positive input and on its primary positive input. Primary overrides secondary, so your alley function comes on.
As you alluded to earlier, the Liberty I/O board does its switching is done on the ground side. In order to make the Cannon work in your application, you'll need to use a relay. I'll try and whip up a diagram for you.
So whenever either ground comes on, the Cannon sees ground, and sees power on both its secondary positive input and on its primary positive input. Primary overrides secondary, so your alley function comes on.
As you alluded to earlier, the Liberty I/O board does its switching is done on the ground side. In order to make the Cannon work in your application, you'll need to use a relay. I'll try and whip up a diagram for you.
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TritonBoulder47
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I was hoping I could get away with using diodes, but I guess not... lol I guess it need a tad more isolation than that... lol
Thanks for the assistance shues!!!
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Is a relay going to be quick acting enough...? My plan was to tie it into the opposite corner light so the corners and Cannon flash opposite of each other...
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You'll need two relays per Cannon in order to make them do what you're looking for. The diagram shows a 5-pin relay, but 4-pin relays (without the 87A terminal) will work for this application.
Start by removing your diodes and connecting your Cannon's ground wire directly to a constant ground.
The following is a diagram I borrowed from the12volt.com, on their page that explains how to convert a ground input to a positive output:
Your "alley" relay will have a ground input (green in the diagram) from the Liberty alley light plug's ground wire and a positive output (blue in the diagram) to the Cannon's primary positive wire.
Your "warning" relay will have a ground input (green in the diagram) from the Liberty corner module plug's ground wire and a positive output (blue in the diagram) to the Cannon's secondary positive wire.
I believe that there is a way to make this work using your diode Y and only one 5-pin relay, but that would be still more complex and probably more confusing.
Start by removing your diodes and connecting your Cannon's ground wire directly to a constant ground.
The following is a diagram I borrowed from the12volt.com, on their page that explains how to convert a ground input to a positive output:
Your "alley" relay will have a ground input (green in the diagram) from the Liberty alley light plug's ground wire and a positive output (blue in the diagram) to the Cannon's primary positive wire.
Your "warning" relay will have a ground input (green in the diagram) from the Liberty corner module plug's ground wire and a positive output (blue in the diagram) to the Cannon's secondary positive wire.
I believe that there is a way to make this work using your diode Y and only one 5-pin relay, but that would be still more complex and probably more confusing.
Your vehicle's horn probably uses a relay. Do you notice any delay from when you press the horn button on the steering wheel to when you hear the horn? While there is a delay, the delay is so minor that it's not really noticeable.
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Thanks man... I'll have to try this tomorrow since my relays and such are at the house... My concern with the delay is the the fact of using the corner module to supply the flash pattern, therefor syncing the heads... But I guess the flash pattern comes from the positive side of the harness... Now I just have to find a way to tie into the main power of the bar for the relays since I don't want to run a wire up to the bar for this... lolYou'll need two relays per Cannon in order to make them do what you're looking for. The diagram shows a 5-pin relay, but 4-pin relays (without the 87A terminal) will work for this application.
Start by removing your diodes and connecting your Cannon's ground wire directly to a constant ground.
The following is a diagram I borrowed from the12volt.com, on their page that explains how to convert a ground input to a positive output:
Your "alley" relay will have a ground input (green in the diagram) from the Liberty alley light plug's ground wire and a positive output (blue in the diagram) to the Cannon's primary positive wire.
Your "warning" relay will have a ground input (green in the diagram) from the Liberty corner module plug's ground wire and a positive output (blue in the diagram) to the Cannon's secondary positive wire.
I believe that there is a way to make this work using your diode Y and only one 5-pin relay, but that would be still more complex and probably more confusing.
Your vehicle's horn probably uses a relay. Do you notice any delay from when you press the horn button on the steering wheel to when you hear the horn? While there is a delay, the delay is so minor that it's not really noticeable.
Thanks again shues!!!
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I'm happy to help.
The flash pattern comes from the ground side of the harness. That's what ground side switching means.
The positive side is constant. The ground side is pulsed by the I/O board to make the flash pattern.
I hope this clears things up.
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Ah, OK... I thought the flash pattern was through the positive and the the ground was just activated when that set of heads was turned on...
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OK, now I'm confused... Just for S&Gs (Sh*ts & Giggles) I put my put my cannon ground to a constant ground (right off my power source) and put the activation wire on the positive side of one of the corner outputs, and it flashed as it should. But when I tested it the opposite way (Ground of the Cannon to the ground of the Corner Output and separate power), it just turned on steady...
So in using the relay conversion method, I don't think I'm going to achieve the desired result... Or am I just missing something...? I'm not too keen on electronics in this capacity... lol
Edit again:
Now I think I have it... LoL
If I tie the Cannon into a constant ground, then tie the Secondary mode (Steady Blue) into the positive side of the corner module, then use the relay conversion for just the Alley Light opweration, I will get the desired result that I'm looking for... (Cannon flashing blue opposite the corners and steady white for alley lights over-riding the warning mode)
Edit once more:
Progress has been made... I have the Cannons wired up for warning and they are good to go. All I need to do is the relay polarity reversal for the Alley Light function and it will be complete... But that will have to wait until tomorrow (later on today technically)... lol
Thanks again, shues, for your assistance...
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TritonBoulder47
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I did the Relay Polarity Reversal, and got these all wired up. And the work GREAT!!!
Here's how I wired them:
- Ground from the Cannon, and tied it into the Ground of the opposite side Corner Module.
- Secondary Warning (Steady Blue) Activation wire and tied it into the Power of the opposite side Corner Module.
- Power Input for the relay and tied it into the Alley Light Power.
- Ground for the relay and tied it into the Ground for the Alley Light.
- Power Output from the relay and connected that to the Primary Mode (Steady White)
Now the Cannons flash blue opposite the corner modules they are next to and the white alley light over-rides the blue warning.
*Added bonus: You get a neat effect when you have the warning mode going and activate the Flashing TDs/Alleys...
And of course, a video... lol
Now this bar is 100% Complete!!! And I don't foresee any changes that will need to be done...
Here's how I wired them:
- Ground from the Cannon, and tied it into the Ground of the opposite side Corner Module.
- Secondary Warning (Steady Blue) Activation wire and tied it into the Power of the opposite side Corner Module.
- Power Input for the relay and tied it into the Alley Light Power.
- Ground for the relay and tied it into the Ground for the Alley Light.
- Power Output from the relay and connected that to the Primary Mode (Steady White)
Now the Cannons flash blue opposite the corner modules they are next to and the white alley light over-rides the blue warning.
*Added bonus: You get a neat effect when you have the warning mode going and activate the Flashing TDs/Alleys...
And of course, a video... lol
Now this bar is 100% Complete!!! And I don't foresee any changes that will need to be done...
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uniden278
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looks great bro
The rear looks great with the mix of Solaris and CON3s. Seriously great job.
The rear looks great with the mix of Solaris and CON3s. Seriously great job.
TritonBoulder47
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Thanks. I know that they won't be the best for an Alley light, but I have other plans for that... lol
Thanks bro... I've always loved the CON-3s in the rear... Now I cant wait to get a new vehicle to put it on... lol
I love the steady burn blue and the slow wig wag amber to the rear. This is definitely the best iteration of this bar so far.
I have another batch of solaris modules available if you get bored again
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Fighting17th
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That bar looks great and I love how you made the Cannon alley light mounts!
On a side note, I also have a batch of blue Solaris modules I'm looking to sell
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I forgot to add pics of the Cannons installed... lol
I had to bend/adjust the mount itself to have it sit "inside" the lightbar frame so the endcaps would seat/seal properly. but it all works great...
I had to bend/adjust the mount itself to have it sit "inside" the lightbar frame so the endcaps would seat/seal properly. but it all works great...
Thanks... Do they come with the wiring pigtails...? lolThat bar looks great and I love how you made the Cannon alley light mounts!
On a side note, I also have a batch of blue Solaris modules I'm looking to sell
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Fighting17th
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Yes I have the wiring pigtails for all. I can get a count exactly, I think there's at least a dozen there.
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So, today while I was home alone and bored, I decided to do a test on my alley light mod, just to see how well they lit up the area... And I'm VERY please with the outcome...
*** Note: I did this test in the middle of the day in my garage with the doors closed, but there is still a good amount of light coming in through the windows... I may do this test again at night later on... ***
Passenger's Side Alley Off:
Passenger's Side Alley On:
Driver's Side Alley Off:
Driver's Side Alley On:
And, of course, a vid...
They look nice together in the garage too... lol
*** Note: I did this test in the middle of the day in my garage with the doors closed, but there is still a good amount of light coming in through the windows... I may do this test again at night later on... ***
Passenger's Side Alley Off:
Passenger's Side Alley On:
Driver's Side Alley Off:
Driver's Side Alley On:
And, of course, a vid...
They look nice together in the garage too... lol
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No... lol Although, I may have to fix the ciggy plug so I can run at least my L32... Since I pretty much have the truck sold, I'll be driving the Camaro again until I fond a new ride...
Boulder, stop playing with your lightbar and take down the Christmas lights. Lol.
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Well, t looks like all this work was kinda for nothing... lol Ends up i'm NOT going to use this on my new vehicle...
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I know, I felt the same way... lol
I am going to sell it... BUT I'm taking the Cannons and the SXTDLEDs out of it... lol The SXTDLEDs are actually already sold... lol
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I think a good halogen and/or strobe upfit of the Camaro is mandatory!!! The Libby is pretty dang sweet though! I would love to have it in all red!