FDNY Governors Island

[NPS Ranger]

This is a 2002 American LaFrance engine donated to FDNY after 9/11 by the Paris Fire Department. It was soon removed from active service due to maintenance and reliability issues and assigned to the part-time firehouse on Governors Island. Does anyone know what that lightbar is?








2nd photo courtesy of Triborough

 

[Squad-6]

The bar is ALF specific with Whelen rotators & typically with 2 strobes on either side of the center rotator.

 

[Pimp]

Looks like the Whelen lightbar they make specifically for ALF.

 

[RL1]

... Kinda funny that Paris FD gave an American LaFRANCE. Then again, I get silly past my bed time

 

[Squad-6]

Odd to see an Alf with only one siren speaker, one air horn, & no "Q". Yes they do have maintenance & reliability issues as I have experienced first hand with my stations 98 Alf that runs 2nd out behind a 78 Alf.

 

[NPS Ranger]

Thanks for the info, I see in another thread one was just on Ebay.

 

[Kirk @ K&D Lighting]

Odd to see an Alf with only one siren speaker, one air horn, & no "Q". Yes they do have maintenance & reliability issues as I have experienced first hand with my stations 98 Alf that runs 2nd out behind a 78 Alf.

The American LaFrance engine shown above was designed around an FDNY spec, which includes only one 100watt siren speaker and one air horn. Some companies in the FDNY add "buff" sirens to their apparatus after the fact, but the job does not knowingly allow them :twisted:

 

[dmathieu]

I saw those lights being made in Whelen's New Hampshire plant.


Dan

 

[ncranchero]

There are several ALF specific lights on them, Whelens. They were a pain in my a....... side for quite a few years!


The ALF's were built close by here in Freightliner's Cleveland NC plant. I do not miss them!! The Cummins powered one's we had were dogs! I think they are all reserves now, what's left of them.

 

[strobenj]

I don't believe that your info on this truck is accurate. I am pretty sure this truck was purchased and delivered prior to 9/11. I remember seeing it at the shops that week. Also as can be seen by the serial number on the front it is a 2000 model not a 2002.

 

[kinnelonfire75]

I am not sure when this picture is taken but the truck looks like it is still in decent condition...

 

[NPS Ranger]

I don't believe that your info on this truck is accurate. I am pretty sure this truck was purchased and delivered prior to 9/11. I remember seeing it at the shops that week. Also as can be seen by the serial number on the front it is a 2000 model not a 2002.

Nice try.


The serial number is AP02001


American LaFrance


Pumper


2002


Delivery # 001


Look at a pic I posted earlier of a pre-delivery Seagrave engine taken last month:





It has the serial number SP10014


Seagrave


Pumper


2010


Delivery # 014

 

[strobenj]

Nice try.


The serial number is AP02001


American LaFrance


Pumper


2002


Delivery # 001


Look at a pic I posted earlier of a pre-delivery Seagrave engine taken last month:





It has the serial number SP10014


Seagrave


Not "trying" anything and I did miss the first "0" so you are correct there. Was there a 2nd ALF Pumper? I remember that truck (or one exactly like it) pulling into the shops the evening of 9/12.


Pumper


2010


Delivery # 014

 

[NPS Ranger]

There was a 2001 American LaFrance Eagle 1000 gpm pumper delivered before 9/11, this was meant to be on loan for evaluation purposes but FDNY purchased it after so many apparatus were destroyed on 9/11. I don't know what eventually became of it. *


There were also a 2002 Ferrara Inferno engine and a 2002 Luverne engine donated after 9/11. The Ferrara went into service briefly but was then assigned to the Bureau of Training, it later returned to Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina. The Luverne wasn't even close to FDNY specs and was never permanently assigned to a house, it was eventually assigned as a "caisson" engine for funerals.


* list of vehicles destroyed on 9/11 at WTC:


Engines:


SP9374 E55


SP9401H E6


SP9402H E10


SP9404H E34


SP9405H E65


SP9602 Spare Squad


SP9703 E15


SP9709 E21


SP9723 E204


SP98014 Squad 1


SP98021 E1


SP98032 E76


SP00017 E7


SP00029 E202


SP00030 E28


SP00035 Squad18


MP8818 Spare


MP8912 Spare


Ladders:


SL8904 L8


SL9403 L132


SL9406 L10


SL9411 L11


SL9413 L3


SL99008 L113


SL01002 L4


SL99012 L101


SL99013 L20


SL00002T L5


SL00003 L6


Towers:


ST9402 L105


ST99001 L18


ST99006 L9


ST99007 L1


Rescues:


SR9601 R1


SR9602 R2


High Rise:


MH9705 High Rise1


MH9706 High Rise2


Tactical Support Unit:


IM98002 TSU1


Technical Response Vehicle:


IM9101 TRV (SQ1)


Mask Unit:


IH9704 MSU4


Satellite:


MS9304 SAT1


Field Communications:


GM8931 FCU1 spare


Haz-Mat Tenders:


GM98005 HMT SQ18


GM98006 HMT SQ252


GM98009 HMT R5


Shop Trucks:


FM8963


FM9161


Ambulances:


FA94030 A295


FA97031 A217


FA97047 A302


FA97148 A311


FA97179 A506


Suburbans:


GM9166 RAC3 spare


GM9445 spare pool


GM9458 DC11


GM9739 spare pool


GM9744 BC12


GM9745 BC1


GM9756 BC6


GM99039 EMS


GM99117 SOC


GM99118 Safety


GM99126 BC46


GM99130 BC48


GM99154 EMS


GM99168 BC4


GM99172 BC9


GM99175 BC7


GM99180 BC2


Sedans:


FS9359 EMS


FS9708 spare pool


FS9711 Ops


FS9716 SOC


FS9720 Ops


FS9724 Haz-Mat


FS01041 EMS


FS01042 Chief of Dept


FS01045 Chief of Ops


FS01047 Dep Comm.


FS20003 DC1


FS20004 DC3


FS20008 DC11


GS9147 OEM


GS9313 Communications


GS9332 BFI


GS9345 PIO


GS9350 Ops


GS9353 spare pool


GS9520 BFI


GS9522 BFI


GS9534 Fleet Services


GM9555 EMS


GS99004 EMS

 

[dustymedic]

Odd to see an Alf with only one siren speaker, one air horn, & no "Q". Yes they do have maintenance & reliability issues as I have experienced first hand with my stations 98 Alf that runs 2nd out behind a 78 Alf.

Station near me has a 2007 ALF pumper, rock solid dependable since it went in service. It's only been out of service for PMs and to repair damage from a minor crash...

 

[DLuccia]

After 9/11 The ALF was used by E34 in hells kitchen for a little while. The guys hated it. I am not sure where it went after E34 befor it was put on the island. I remember years ago govs island was a federal fire dept a friend of mine that was in the coast guard was stationed there in the 90's


If anyone has a copy of the FDNY operational refrence it will have the info in it

 

[NPS Ranger]

I remember years ago govs island was a federal fire dept a friend of mine that was in the coast guard was stationed there in the 90's

Yep when they switched over FDNY just slapped a couple of decals on the old yellow federal equipment and kept it:

 

[RL1]

What kind of engine is that? I kind of like the slickness of it...

 

[bobcoop06]

Looks like an old early-to-mid-1980's E-One Hurricane. Horrid ugly trucks if you ask me...

 

[Travelin Man]

That's a Duplex cab (although the small windows ahead of the driver's door give it the appearance of an early Federal/E-One cab) with what appears to be Seagrave bodywork.

 

[FDGI134]

Governors Island FD Truck One


RIP Governors Island Firefighters IAFF Local F-87

 

[FDGI134]

GIFD was shut down back in 2003


17 IAFF Union Federal Firefighters Laid-Off


then Governors Island fire protection was contracted out to the FDNY Back in 2003


.


RIP Governors Island Firefighters IAFF Local F-87

 

[RyanZ71]

The newer ALFs have been very dependable for our departments out here as well, usually just routine maintenance and an occasional pump issue here and electrical issue there from time to time. I'm pretty sure they are all powered by the Cummins (wasn't that the only engine offered?) and they get up and go (with a lot of black smoke at wide open throttle) for the ones older than 07.


What sort of issues have the ALFs had that you people hate them so much?


I for one think the styling of the ALFs is really nice too, gives it a more modern and professional look compared to the bland "everything looks the same" that the Pierces and Seagraves have had for the last 30 years.

 

[grfd711]

I remember a few instances I've seen online or in print of ALFs catching on fire. When talking with folks in the fire service community, I've never heard much good things about recent ALFs. Guess there's a reason why the company has gone to shit.

 

[lafd55]

The ALFs are notoriously unreliable in the city. That goes back to the ones purchased in the 70s, they just could not stand up in the city, same as the 2 Sutphen trucks they had. That wasn't the only Ferrara in service, there was a couple and one of them still is Engine 54. The Luverne could never pass pump quals and was used as the Caisson unit but I believe I heard it was destroyed during Sandy. The "Spirit of Louisiana" Ferrara Engine served FDNY after 9/11 and then sent back after Hurricane Irene, and then refurbed by Ferrara and sent back up here after Hurricane Sandy which it served Long Beach FD and now permanently serving West Hamilton Beach VFD.