Idea: Proof of CPR certification necessary when renewing driver's license.

[HFD eng1ine]

I think this is a good idea. Seeing how most bystanders dont do a fucking thing at a cardiac arrest, maybe teaching them what to look for and how to do hands only cpr should be necessary when renewing a license. If you are already a provider you could just show proof of training. Would everyone take it seriously? No...but making it a reguirement would make sure more people know CPR than they do now.


Good idea or no..


Kent

 

[chief1562]

I think this is a good idea. Seeing how most bystanders dont do a fucking thing at a cardiac arrest, maybe teaching them what to look for and how to do hands only cpr should be necessary when renewing a license. If you are already a provider you could just show proof of training. Would everyone take it seriously? No...but making it a reguirement would make sure more people know CPR than they do now.

Good idea or no..


Kent

Small problem most places that give it charge for you to take it.


Most people would be afraid of being sued.


And not everybody is comfortable about doing it.


Heck even with the Good Samaritan law people are still afraid of being sued.


And afraid they might get something like Aids or hepatitis or another type of disease.

 

[twodogs603]

If I dont like you, Im not doing CPR! :razz:

 

[FSEP]

Good idea in theory, but bad in practice. It would be much to hard to implement and enforce this. Maybe if it added some type of benefit if they had it, that might work.

 

[MtnMan]

Good idea or no..

Kent

Learning CPR, good. Making it a legal requirement for an unrelated activity, no.


But it gives me another idea.... How about requiring that people learn how to drive before getting a license???!!! Nah, that would never go over.

 

[jswwjw]

Or proving you are not a drunk, high idiot before driving. Or texting while driving, or HUA while driving.


Your right. Way out of the box.

 

[Doug]

My county is on a huge citizen CPR kick - we have regular, free non-certification hands-only CPR classes. This, combined with aggressive ACLS and BLS and other projects, have helped skyrocket our saves to, I believe, 48%. If anyone wants any more info, let me know via PM.

 

[pdk9]

I think this is a good idea. Seeing how most bystanders dont do a fucking thing at a cardiac arrest, maybe teaching them what to look for and how to do hands only cpr should be necessary when renewing a license. If you are already a provider you could just show proof of training. Would everyone take it seriously? No...but making it a reguirement would make sure more people know CPR than they do now.

Good idea or no..


Kent

I agree that it's a good idea in theory but way too challenging to implement, & there are a million different liability issues and health issues. There is also the huge cost factor associated with those courses, so imagine trying to get even a quarter of the US pop. certified (which would be like 80 million). Many companies/corporations are nowadays working to ensure that there are several CPR-certified staff on premises at all times (whether it's security, managers, a small internal "response team," etc)


As for the liability & health issues, I think that there are 3 main categories of people:


1) those that know what to do but are worried about getting sued (despite the Good Samaritan law)


2) those that know what to do but are worried about BSI (I don't know about y'all, but paramedic school made me a germophobic, so I don't wanna touch, let alone get all up close with, a stranger without any protective barriers...unless she's Heidi Klum)


3) people that think they know what they're doing but will probably end up doing more harm than good; honestly, most people that pass a basic CPR class probably didn't know what to do when they somehow passed the course or won't remember what to do 5 min after the course ended. While teaching lay persons to do compressions only seems simple enough, common sense is not common & I don't want some random Joe Schmo to try to work me


Lastly, what if someone refuses to take the CPR course (for whatever reason) but otherwise has an okay driving history...are you going to revoke their driving privileges just because of that? Being born and raised in the Northeast, which is an area that probably has the highest amt of douchebags per capita, I can guarantee you that > 2/3 of the drivers in the tristate area would instantly lose their licenses if that were the case.


Like I said earlier, great idea in theory, but certainly not plausible in real life IMHO

 

[HFD eng1ine]

Lastly, what if someone refuses to take the CPR course (for whatever reason) but otherwise has an okay driving history...are you going to revoke their driving privileges just because of that? Being born and raised in the Northeast, which is an area that probably has the highest amt of douchebags per capita, I can guarantee you that > 2/3 of the drivers in the tristate area would instantly lose their licenses if that were the case.


Like I said earlier, great idea in theory, but certainly not plausible in real life IMHO

 

[mjMIff]

Sounds like a good idea until you realize what you are asking idiots to be able to do LOL


This actually reminded me about all of the STUPID comments this thread received a while back -


https://www.facebook.com/WNEMTV5/posts/10151613147545957

 

[chief1562]

Lastly, what if someone refuses to take the CPR course (for whatever reason) but otherwise has an okay driving history...are you going to revoke their driving privileges just because of that? Being born and raised in the Northeast, which is an area that probably has the highest amt of douchebags per capita, I can guarantee you that > 2/3 of the drivers in the tristate area would instantly lose their licenses if that were the case.

Like I said earlier, great idea in theory, but certainly not plausible in real life IMHO

Lmfao about the douchebags. You've got that right. From MA


Kent

 

[pdk9]

Everything that's been said against the idea and you still going to stand behind it?


Concerding you live in a nofault state.


I remember back in '80's when i was in the Navy coming back from from the Boston ship yard to RI a car got side swipped on one side and kept going then on the other.Nobody stopped. So who has the worst drivers?

I have no idea what you're trying to convey and to whom.

 

[chief1562]

I have no idea what you're trying to convey and to whom.

the OP I did qoute

 

[JazzDad]

... (I don't know about y'all, but paramedic school made me a germophobic, so I don't wanna touch, let alone get all up close with, a stranger without any protective barriers...unless she's Heidi Klum)...

Eh, she probably has Kuru.

 

[FF Vince]

I believe most people if required to have CPR certification would not preform CPR when faced with a cardiac arrest situation. A lot of places have the EMD via dispatch so those who do not know CPR and choose to use it can be walked through over the phone. Maybe a discount on license renewal with valid CPR certification would be a better solution.

 

[Doug]

Maybe a discount on license renewal with valid CPR certification would be a better solution.

I like that idea. On another note, is anyone using Pulse Point (http://pulsepoint.org)?

 

[Station 3]

I think all Police officers need to stop being wussis and do something at a medical call! Im a Deputy Constable have my ECA license with the Texas Department of Health and on more times that i can count i have arrived on the scene of something MAJOR just to encounter 3 or 4 officers standing there with the thousand yard stare not doing anything "just watching from a safe distance". Then im the guy stuck with the guy who was shot until EMS arrive or the guy having the heart attack or the guy bleeding his guts out at a traffic accident.


I like your idea but i think we need to start with the police first then work our way to civilians

 

[foxtrot5]

Not mandatory CPR, but somewhat along the same lines... I think this is an awesome program:


Sweden Has a Solution for Slow Ambulances | VICE United States


Text messages are saving Swedes from cardiac arrest ? Quartz

 

[FF Vince]

No issues up here with police officers doing CPR in my neck of the woods. Some will respond out to specifically assist EMS with CPR, BVM, etc..

 

[timlinson]

As for the liability & health issues, I think that there are 3 main categories of people:


1) those that know what to do but are worried about getting sued (despite the Good Samaritan law)


While usually not going to happen, I understand. As a healthcare provider, if I'm off duty, even I don't act unless it's a life-threatening situation, and I have training!


2) those that know what to do but are worried about BSI (I don't know about y'all, but paramedic school made me a germophobic, so I don't wanna touch, let alone get all up close with, a stranger without any protective barriers...unless she's Heidi Klum)


True that! I don't use pens other people touch(nor let my patients use mine for signing it, I always carry five pens). Always have hand sanitizer with me. ESPECIALLY nursing homes. They have some of the highest transmission rates of STDs.


3) people that think they know what they're doing but will probably end up doing more harm than good; honestly, most people that pass a basic CPR class probably didn't know what to do when they somehow passed the course or won't remember what to do 5 min after the course ended. While teaching lay persons to do compressions only seems simple enough, common sense is not common & I don't want some random Joe Schmo to try to work me


Not to mention AHA guidelines state that since even healthcare providers cannot adequately detect pulses, bystanders aren't even going to try. Not breathing? CPR! (Not criticizing, I'm an instructor that does a lot to do with cardiac resuscitation here)

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