London & Ireland Sirens and Travel Costs

May 25, 2010
129
Los Angeles, CA
I just returned from a month in England and Ireland. As many of you, I was curious about the sirens used on EVs. London Fire Brigade uses sirens made by Woodbridge Electronics according to a leading fire fighter at the Euston Road station. The siren was mounted sideways in a console between the drivers and passenger seat, was very slim, about 6" x 1.2". I have found no info. on the manufacturer. The Metropolitan Police (3 officers in cars) could not identify the siren manufacturer. Switches were built into the dash, and appeared to have wail, yelp, hi-lo and a 4th signal. One cop said that they are referred to as "Met Sound" sirens, and said that the department gets the cars fully outfitted, and that they are never satisfied with what is normally available commercially with any equipment. He further said that he thought the sirens were UK made to department specs. In London, I heard many police cars and ambulances responding, and all sounded like US electronic sirens to me. I also heard responding fire apparatus somewhere in England and in Galway. Again, sirens sounded like clones of American sirens, except that 2 tone air horns were also used in England (not London).


The Wicklow Fire Brigade used Premiere Hazard sirens and 2 tone Fiamm air horns, and preferred the horns, feeling that the sirens were less audible.


Interestingly, I came upon a serious single car accident in Ireland on a rural, major "dual carriageway". There was little traffic so I stopped, after getting permission from a fire fighter to do so (he was the station officer), to photograph the 2 pumpers that were blocking the road (traffic being diverted to a very narrow secondary road). When I started to photograph the VW Jetta that as in 3 pieces, a cop rushed up and told me it was prohibited to photograph the accident. Mind you, the victim had already been removed. When asked, the station officer said yes, it was illegal, and even they did not like unauthorized photography of fire operations because they did not want material posed to You Tube. Being from here, I found this to be odd for an EU country. I was fully allowed to photograph the fire apparatus as long as the VW remains were not photographed.


As a final thought, anyone planning to go to the UK, or especially to Ireland, will find food costs, even in pubs, to be about 25-35% more than here, and gas to be about double or maybe more than US costs per gallon (4 liters). A fireman in Dublin said that he could not afford to eat out (he was paid about $64,000 per year, top 70,000. at fire fighter rank), and that the typical resident only eats out on special occasions. B & Bs were 70-75 Euros or pounds which translates as around $104. to 117. Whether you eat it or not, at most B & Bs you will pay for breakfast. On food, we found both England and Ireland to have excellent, if pricey food that was much, much better than on our last trip, years ago.
 
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portswood2

New Member
Apr 19, 2011
11
Wales, UK
Met Police use these (or certainly used to) - uk manufactured siren system, based in essex - intergrates with other vehicle control systems.


Standard 2 hit Siren


Met police example driver trainign video with them in use (in car)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8QKPS090Wk


Premier hazard used to supply a lot to the met (now part of code 3 pse group)


Premier Hazard Ltd - Lightbar Manufacturer | Home Page


Other UK manufacvturers are redtronic used by yorkshire fire and rescue (their bars are not knock offs although they do look it!)


REDTRONIC - UK Manufacturers of Emergency Equipment - Specialists in LED Lightbars for Police, Fire, Ambulance and Recovery Vehicles.


and haztec


Welcome to Haztec


Lots of the ambulance services use thes fully intergrated control systems, not a good website but nice bits of kit bespoke designed automated battery protection, switch lights on and off automatiucally depending on if parking brake on off, doors open closed ect.


Carnation Designs - genisys Overview
 

Wailer

Member
May 24, 2010
2,293
Canada
Some of the London emergency vehicle sirens have a wail tone that sounds like the current Whelen 295 series or Federal Smart Siren.
 

RL1

Member
May 20, 2010
1,650
Ga
I don't know about the Met, but City of London Police use Whelen, at least in their vans. When I went to university over there, I got to ride with them a few times. The vans have the controls mounted to the ceiling and the tone knob is just kind of squeezed in there. They also had it set up kinda of weird; stand by, two tone, yelp, wail, phaser.


When I was there, the pound was worth almost double the dollar, but most prices in pounds weren't more than in the US, maybe even a little less (though this was 4 and 2 years ago, mind you), esp in Scotland and Wales. Also, most cops there make about the same, regardless of where they live and work. I believe their yearly was about 32k, starting out, plus free public transit.
 

MichaelR

New Member
Apr 1, 2011
12
UK, East Anglia
LFB use whelen kit from Woodway as do London Ambulance, The met used to use Britax bars and Stirling/ redtronic sirens but have now moved to Whelen kit via 911 galaxies (they didn't last too long)
 
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superstix

New Member
Oct 12, 2011
1
Essex
MichaelR said:
LFB use whelen kit from Woodway as do London Ambulance, The met used to use Britax bars and Stirling/ redtronic sirens but have now moved to Whelen kit via 911 galaxies (they didn't last too long)

Hi there,


Does anyone know what siren model is used on the older LFB Dual Pump Ladders?


Who supplies the Sterling siren used on the older Met IRVs?


Regards,


Josh.
 

WS224

Member
Nov 28, 2010
1,049
West Tennessee
The question is:


Will any of these do the unique London Police siren that was posted on the old board that almost sounded like a low tone fast yelp?


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WS224

Member
Nov 28, 2010
1,049
West Tennessee
SireLite said:
It will be either Redtronic, Sterling or Premier Hazard. As the sirens they make can be made to order with what ever tone you want.

Then again it could be RSG.

HA!!!!! Very helpful. If you ever figure it out, shoot me a pm.
 

mkent

Member
Mar 11, 2012
207
united kingdom
MichaelR said:
The LFB siren is a Woodway Commander siren from back in the day in the mid- late 80's/ early 90s

I have just bought a used woodway commander 3 siren although the control is missing..they did a standard control and a LFB control which plugs into the amp..


Anyone over here in the u.k. Help me locate a control?
 

markko

Member
Nov 7, 2011
106
USA Wisconsin
Dr. Dennis Stouffer said:
The Wicklow Fire Brigade used Premiere Hazard sirens and 2 tone Fiamm air horns, and preferred the horns, feeling that the sirens were less audible.

I have a Code 3 3600 siren and a pair of Wolo Model 416 alternating hi-lo air horns on my truck. The horns move traffic better than the siren.
 

Snibsey

Member
Sep 12, 2012
35
UK
When, back in the early 1980s, the Metropolitan Police began the switch from air horns and the ridiculous Winkworth Gongs they specified siren tones that did not sound too American. Hence the raspy Met. tones.
 
Snibsey said:
When, back in the early 1980s, the Metropolitan Police began the switch from air horns and the ridiculous Winkworth Gongs they specified siren tones that did not sound too American. Hence the raspy Met. tones.

I'm sitting here with a Stirling SS2H4 siren amplifier, if that doesn't display the joy of the Met's love of unique siren tones, I dunno what will.
 

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