So what does this mean now? NYS Lighting Law

ffjwhite

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May 21, 2010
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Bombay, NY
http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/aubertine-passes-legislation-protect-volunteer-firefighters


ALBANY (June 18, 2010)—The New York State Senate unanimously passed legislation (S.5593) sponsored by Sen. Darrel J. Aubertine this week to help keep volunteer firefighters and other emergency responders safe.


The legislation would require motorists to reduce speed when passing an emergency situation along a highway and allow volunteer fire departments and fire companies to install on the rear of all fire and emergency response vehicles additional blue lights, which studies have shown are more noticeable for passing motorists. The legislation has the strong support of the Firemen’s Association of the State of New York (FASNY).


“Our volunteer firefighters and emergency responders give of themselves every day to keep us safe and help us when we are in need. This legislation will help keep these everyday Good Samaritans safe when they respond and are vulnerable along the shoulders of our highways,” said Sen. Aubertine, chair of the Legislative Commission on Rural Resources and the Senate Majority Upstate Caucus. “Blue lights have been shown to catch the attentions of drivers more so than the lights in use now, giving drivers more time to slow down and avoid putting our first responders at risk.”


Volunteer firefighters and other emergency responders regularly perform emergency duties on the side of the road where they are at risk and have, unfortunately, been injured and even killed by passing motorists. Studies have shown that the blue light is the most noticeable colored light, and as a result, provides the highest level of safety.


“This is an important piece of safety legislation for the volunteer fire and emergency medical service throughout the state of New York,” said Thomas J. Cuff, Jr., President of the Firemen’s Association of the State of New York (FASNY). “Typically, the blue-colored flashing lights in particular are easily spotted by other drivers on the road, especially at night. We would like to thank Senator Aubertine for sponsoring this bill. We hope the Assembly also passes this bill and it eventually gets signed into law, as we believe it will help raise the level of safety for both firefighters and motorists statewide.”


“Volunteer fire and EMS vehicles should be as evident to motorists as any other emergency vehicle when approached from the front and the rear,” said FASNY Board Member James Cayey, of Colton, NY. “Expanding the use of blue lights in fire department vehicles makes sense from a safety perspective for emergency responders operating the apparatus, other motorists, and any potential victims at an emergency scene. In order for the public to be protected and removed from harm, it is of the utmost importance that our volunteers get to their destination quickly and safely. On behalf of firefighters both statewide and especially here in our region, I would like to thank Senator Aubertine for sponsoring this legislation in the Senate.”


Current law allows for one or more blue lights or combination of blue, red and/or white lights to be affixed to a police vehicle provided that they are displayed for rear projection only. Volunteer firefighters have long had the exclusive use of one blue light that was affixed to a to motor vehicle owned by a volunteer member of a fire department or on a motor vehicle owned by a member of such person's family. The light was allowed to be displayed or projected in 360 degree fashion. Use of the light was prohibited in combination with red lights on all fire vehicles.


Studies conducted by Ford Motor Company and the Florida Highway Patrol, clearly indicated that the perception-decision-response process in driving, especially at night favored the blue light over other colors particularly when approaching from the rear. This bill extends the perceptual advantage attributed to the blue light in certain circumstances, now enjoyed by police vehicles, to fire and emergency response vehicles, including those used by volunteer departments. It allows the blue light use for rear projection purposes in combination with red and/or white lights and leaves in place the exclusive use of the blue light by volunteers on personal vehicles to be projected in 360 degree fashion.


So does this mean its the Law now? Or does it mean that its on its way to become a law?
 

dustymedic

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May 21, 2010
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Columbus,OH
Sounds like it still needs to be passed by your lower house. If the lower house had already passed it, the article should have mentioned that and stated it was being forwarded to the governor for signing..


More confusion to the public about the identity of public safety vehicles. The Southeastern states have it right; if it's law enforcement then the primary color is blue, if it's fire or EMS then the primary color is red...
 

Jarred J.

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May 21, 2010
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Shelbyville, TN
doesnt appear to be a law yet. it says fire apparatus can have blue lights attached to them now but VFF still can only use blue.
 

HILO

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May 20, 2010
2,781
Grand Prairie Texas
Well I am confused. If VFD's are already allowed to run blue only, what changes for them? I understand adding blue to Fire Dept. vehicles.
 

GranPrix

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May 23, 2010
530
FL
That study they mentioned with FHP was when they started to use the Code3 Javelin's in red and blue about 5 years back. The light bar would automatically switch from red to blue as soon as it got dark. A lot of the older Troopers hated the red because they've never had red in FHP, so they would cover up the light sensor on purpose and the bar would be blue day and night!
 

GranPrix

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May 23, 2010
530
FL
I've never understood why NY and NJ never used blue. And only to the rear? That makes no sense.
 

spike91

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Jun 11, 2010
192
New York
GranPrix said:
I've never understood why NY and NJ never used blue. And only to the rear? That makes no sense.


Makes perfect sense. Blue was previously reserved as a courtesy light color. Now its being expanded so all emergency vehicles can display blue to the rear so that when on scene they are more visible and therefore more safe from traffic.
 

chono

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Jun 5, 2010
496
Midwest
GranPrix said:
That study they mentioned with FHP was when they started to use the Code3 Javelin's in red and blue about 5 years back. The light bar would automatically switch from red to blue as soon as it got dark. A lot of the older Troopers hated the red because they've never had red in FHP, so they would cover up the light sensor on purpose and the bar would be blue day and night!

I wondered that when I was in florida... Most FHP had their bars blue in the day.. a few had red and blue.. I think I only saw one with all red in the day
 

spike91

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Jun 11, 2010
192
New York
chono said:
I wondered that when I was in florida... Most FHP had their bars blue in the day.. a few had red and blue.. I think I only saw one with all red in the day


In Florida blue is synonymous with police; red and white is for EMS/Fire. You don't see police cars running just red and white, only red/blue or blue/white
 

RL1

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May 20, 2010
1,643
Ga
FHP actually does run red during the day, with a blue led at the rear view mirror. They can also do the whole bar (red and blue) in what I believe is pursuit mode. Interesting idea, but I HATE the design of the bar (just plain ugly, IMO)
 

wkr518

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May 22, 2010
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I hope it is written into law in NYS.Many Fire departments already are using 1 blue to the rear on Command vehicles and some Apparatus.Even seen some on brush ATVs around here.Also requiring Motorists to "reduce speed" when approaching a roadside scene is common sense but a law was needed.I believe MA requires if possible that Motorists "change lanes if possible" when coming upon roadside scene for officer and responder safety.


Could be a boon for tickets if you have 2 Cops show up for every roadside incident, 1 to handle actual call and the other to enforce this new rule and write up any scofflaws.


Just my two cents
 

NJEMT

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May 22, 2010
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Essex County, NJ
GranPrix said:
I've never understood why NY and NJ never used blue. And only to the rear? That makes no sense.
NJ has always allowed blue on emergency vehicles, to the front and rear.
 

GranPrix

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May 23, 2010
530
FL
spike91 said:
Makes perfect sense. Blue was previously reserved as a courtesy light color. Now its being expanded so all emergency vehicles can display blue to the rear so that when on scene they are more visible and therefore more safe from traffic.

Well, down south if you see blue or red in your rearview mirror it means get the hell out of the way! To me it just causes to much confusion to the regular civilian trying to figure out wether or not to pull over to the side/slow down. The state should just pass a new law basically stating "Give right of way to red and blue, period." Whether it's in front of you or behind you. But thats just me...
 

GranPrix

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May 23, 2010
530
FL
chono said:
I wondered that when I was in florida... Most FHP had their bars blue in the day.. a few had red and blue.. I think I only saw one with all red in the day

It's set up so that when they are running code during the day it runs red and blue. When in park it goes all red. But they've got morons doing these installs up by Jacksonville with the help of inmates. So the light bars are all screwed up doing all kinds of shit. Some actually steady burn blue and red when parked!
 

UndercoverVLS

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Jun 1, 2010
337
NY
GranPrix said:
The state should just pass a new law basically stating "Give right of way to red and blue, period." Whether it's in front of you or behind you. But thats just me...

AMEN. Any flashing light you should at least pull to the side and slow down.


As far as this "new" law, It really is nothing new. A lot of departments already have blue on the rear of their trucks as well as PD and other agencies. As stated, blue is the most ambient light, which is the proper term for why they passed all these new laws. I can see where the public can be confused because they really have no interest to know these things, unlike us emergency responders/buffs lol. But basically in NY, red is an emergency vehicle, period. Blue = BS courtesy light for volunteers. Green = courtesy light for Vol EMS. Amber = caution.


And as a rant, everyone rants and raves about this NIMS, CIMS, etc bullshit. But yet no one actually follows it. We still have the Long Island Volunteer FDs (Nassau County) using "23" as acknowledged (10-4 to most people), which absolutely irks me, and makes no sense whatsoever. And we have different states using different emergency colors. Just ranting cause they made everyone go thru these mandatory classes for basically no reason.
 

chono

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Jun 5, 2010
496
Midwest
GranPrix said:
It's set up so that when they are running code during the day it runs red and blue. When in park it goes all red. But they've got morons doing these installs up by Jacksonville with the help of inmates. So the light bars are all screwed up doing all kinds of shit. Some actually steady burn blue and red when parked!

Maybe they just left there lightbars set to pursuit mode when on traffic stops because I mostly saw that.. and steady burn isnt too bad.. but i dont think the whole bar should steady burn
 

spike91

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Jun 11, 2010
192
New York
I personally believe red should be emergency, blue courtesy, and amber warning. Standardize it, and stop jerking around with the ego wars RE colors. Blue in the back for all, its a matter of SAFETY, not tradition or entitlement.
 

philyumpshus

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Jun 20, 2010
1,270
Malone, NY
I think NY should abolish courtesy lights and just let everyone lights and siren. I like Vermont's law:


Red+siren= fire (truck or POV)


Blue+siren= police


Amber= caution


Keeps it simple and less confusing.
 

JohnMarcson

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May 7, 2010
10,596
Northwest Ohio
philyumpshus said:
I think NY should abolish courtesy lights and just let everyone lights and siren. I like Vermont's law:

Red+siren= fire (truck or POV)


Blue+siren= police


Amber= caution


Keeps it simple and less confusing.
The lack of siren is the thing that always bothered me...
 

chono

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Jun 5, 2010
496
Midwest
JohnMarcson said:
The lack of siren is the thing that always bothered me...

Same here.. I think if you have lights you should be running a siren. Makes it way safer... Id rather go with being seen and heard any day over just being seen
 

RJ*

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May 21, 2010
346
Finland
chono said:
Same here.. I think if you have lights you should be running a siren. Makes it way safer... Id rather go with being seen and heard any day over just being seen

I'd rather not have tow trucks with amber lights and a siren.
 

UndercoverVLS

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Jun 1, 2010
337
NY
RJ* said:
I'd rather not have tow trucks with amber lights and a siren.
+1 they already break enough laws and drive like maniacs, plus most of them (that I deal with) shouldnt be in possession of a police siren.


In NYS, the Chief of your department can authorize siren use I believe. If anyone has ever been to Long Island, you would know why Vol. FF's are not given sirens:


1) Most areas are too busy


2) Most depts. have too many members


3) Would be an issue getting everyone EVOC qualified


4) Usually would require minimum lighting requirements on vehicles with sirens, costing members money.


With #1 and #2 said, traffic would become a standstill in my area for calls like wires down, automatic alarms, injuries from fall, etc etc. We have 285+ members, 3 firehouses, and do about 5-10 calls a day. Of course not everyone responds to every call but I'd say in my FH for your basic firematic call, we get at least 15-20 members. Thats a lot of intersection clearing and stopping traffic, and if I had to guess, 2 accidents a day. :shock:


Areas upstate and rural it would be great for everyone to have sirens. but down here on LI, its a No-Go. just my .02
 

wkr518

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May 22, 2010
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So is it officially a written law now in NYS? I cannot find anything in the Vehicle/Traffic laws online yet.
 

PJH

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May 23, 2010
499
CO Springs&West PointNY
This is actually about the same of which MA has had for awhile..really don't see the big deal.


Blue on LE vehicles to the rear came into play just a couple of years ago..it was due to happen.


NJ went from primarly red to R/B on LE vehicles, but the "emerg" color is still offically red.
 

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