I saw these pop up on Whelen's website, any info or photos on these?
Whelen Vertex Directional & 360 Side Emitter
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bluestinger90
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ranair911
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Good day! Nothing more on these? The Whelen website lists them but offers no details. Regards, Ran.
http://www.whelen.com/auto/product.php?head_id=12&cat_id=74&prod_id=427
http://www.whelen.com/auto/product.php?head_id=12&cat_id=74&prod_id=427
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mdlighting
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One of the Whelen factory guys brought is some by the shop there is 3 new versions the standard vertex will remain unchanged the flat on above the light is directed straight out (perfect for running boards) the flat one with the angled mirror means you can aim the light at the reflector to fill the entire housing instead of just a little dot in the middle, then the third is a 360 optic no light is omitted from the top only out of the side (perfect for placing straight up from the bottom of the housing ) at least that's how he explained it to us they are really neat and I can't wait to start installing them.
fleetcomm
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It is good to see whelen is trying to improve their lights and not just sitting on its thumbs. I hope to try them soon.
Im wondering if the 360 will be bright enough to mount under sideview mirrors(like intersectors)
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mdlighting
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that would be worth trying i i had one it might be to thin of an out put plus it could hit the driver in the face if its not mounted correctly
AllStrobedUp
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AllStrobedUp
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my interest is with the para scope looking mirror in a practical application, seems to me as it would take the HIDE out of Hide-A-Way
I wonder if Whelen is pursuing the holy grail of hideaways - an LED that can take the place of an OEM bulb and retain SAE/DOT certification in ANY vehicle. Their HALO was a great step forward and with new LED technology I think it's an achievable goal. You simply can't get the same performance with a hideaway if it's not at the reflector's focal point that the auto maker's engineers designed.
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Sigma Safety
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The problem is that it wouldn't be universal. Putting a red one behind a clear lens on one vehicle, then putting the same red light behind a dark red lens on another vehicle... They'd need to have it certified as DOT/TC compliant for all vehicles, which I don't think is possible because there are so many different varieties of lenses and reflectors - each vehicle would need to be tested individually to certify them.
Uh, no.
If a $2 incandescent bulb compatible in any 3157 socket is certified for any vehicle, the technology exists to produce an LED replacement. The question is whether or not it is worthwhile from a business standpoint.
JohnMarcson
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I intended or reply with this exact opinion (but with a stupid 6million dollar man pun). This is a true statement for nearly all incandescent and halogen products at this point. Is it work designing a LED replacement for an existing bulb knowing that
a -Eventually a ground up redesign of the application (tail, brake, headlight, turn) will occur
b-It will have be broad enough in "spread and spectrum" to work anywhere the incandescent would.
c-It makes heat out the electronic side not the light producing side.
Yes, such a product could be produced, the question for old man capitalism is, is it worth it? Often an "entire assembly" redesign is more cost effective. There are decent 9006 LED replacements, although those bulbs are used in a more specific housing in most cases whereas a **57 etc may be in a variety of housings.
I think the original HALO design was a brilliant piece of engineering and they work wonderfully in my Sierra taillights. They were designed back in the day when Luxeon Stars were the rage, and newer, brighter, more efficient diodes are now available.
If it's a question of spread they could likely light up the entire column rather than splitting it as they do now between running/brake functions. Using more efficient diodes may eliminate the excess heat produced.
I don't know anything about SAE/DOT certification but I'll bet that's the primary reason this hasn't been pursued. My guess is HALO was so expensive they never recovered the costs from certification with sales. An auxiliary lamp that doesn't need comprehensive and expensive testing which can be used far more universally makes much better financial sense to me, though as a consumer and end user I've never been fully satisfied with the performance of hideaways.
If it's a question of spread they could likely light up the entire column rather than splitting it as they do now between running/brake functions. Using more efficient diodes may eliminate the excess heat produced.
I don't know anything about SAE/DOT certification but I'll bet that's the primary reason this hasn't been pursued. My guess is HALO was so expensive they never recovered the costs from certification with sales. An auxiliary lamp that doesn't need comprehensive and expensive testing which can be used far more universally makes much better financial sense to me, though as a consumer and end user I've never been fully satisfied with the performance of hideaways.