When is too many lights to many?

[CodeMan]

Ran across this unmarked Security Officers ride on youtube..... Lights are Green & Amber.. :duh:

Comments?

Have you seen POV's with way too many lights? post them please.. Thanks..

Disclaimer: if theres already a thread like this in this section I didnt find it, so opened this one.

 

[paff2]

Wrong video? Lights look blue/red and says it is a demo.

 

[Swat1911]

What are the runners on the sides?

 

[whfd134]

The running board area and rear tailgate look like they are the HG2

 

[jxndeputy]

The running board area and rear tailgate look like they are the HG2

The running board lights are Maxxima flexible strip lights, according to the description on YouTube.

 

[Carlos SpicyWeiner]

that is what they are... in my opinion they are better than the HG2 but still far off from being true emergency lighting.

 

[CodeMan]

thanks for clearing it up on the vehicle is a demo, I didnt see that fact..

 

[Storm4200]

Demo or not, that truck looks TERRIBLE.

 

[MEVS06]

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!! What is wrong with you, this is a forum dedicated to warning equipment. How dare you ask that type of question.... lol jk, there is a point that too many.

 

[Muxlow]

Holy F!


Bet ya that thing causes some crashes at night from the rear

 

[7d9_z28]

Too many lights = whacker.


Whacker = http://elightbars.org/forums/f35/official-whacker-screwed-up-install-thread-185/

 

[pdk9]

WTF?!?


Honestly, minus the lights inside the wheel well, I didn't think the side was horrible, but the rear is a freakin disaster! Cliff notes version of my thoughts: tacky, purple, epilepsy.

 

[minig0d]

WTF?!?
Honestly, minus the lights inside the wheel well, I didn't think the side was horrible, but the rear is a freakin disaster! Cliff notes version of my thoughts: tacky, purple, epilepsy.

My thoughts exactly. I could live without the wheel well lights but they probably aren't the worst thing in the world. In reality if you'll be blocking off a lot of roads sideways/diagonally. But the rear is hideous.

 

[gabrod]

Early Christmas?

 

[minig0d]

Early Christmas?

Nah it'd blind the reindeer and billions of kids would go without presents.

 

[gabrod]

Nah it'd blind the reindeer and billions of kids would go without presents.

Lol

 

[CodeMan]

here's another two patrol cars, wonder what this looks like from a distance?

 

[jhallgren22]

Im going to search for a Mansfield, MA police car video. One of the new ones seems to have the entire rear window of the charger flashing as well as the tail lights and full light bar to the rear, crappy seizure patterns all the way around. Surprised a drunk hasn't hit them yet, you drive by and see white dots for miles after it. Brand new car, no dimmer?

 

[CodeMan]

Vol. FF POV.


Poor guy got the lighting bug.

 

[codycat91]

Vol. FF POV.

Poor guy got the lighting bug.

Dakota isn't bad, except for the uneven grill lights. That last Tahoe though... WTF

 

[Snibsey]

Here in the UK vehicle owners have to inform their insurers if they make any significant modification to a vehicle. Failure to get the insurer's approval can result in cover being invalid.


I'm amazed that (in a litigation-happy country) US insurers don't prevent the installation of such potentially confusing/dazzling/ light set-ups.

 

[CodeMan]

Here in the UK vehicle owners have to inform their insurers if they make any significant modification to a vehicle. Failure to get the insurer's approval can result in cover being invalid.

I'm amazed that (in a litigation-happy country) US insurers don't prevent the installation of such potentially confusing/dazzling/ light set-ups.

I would guess most follow the "Don't & Don't tell Rule" but a POV isnt a Emergency Vehicle.. Its a POV with blinkies....

 

[AllStrobedUp]

CodeMan, both of those are my vehicles the white dodge is a Demo and almost all of the lights are on different switches. and the Black F-150 is my daily driver and work vehicle. I think it is done very well, and actually has more lights on it now. To each his own.


ETA: The charger is an actual in service vehicle that he (the customer) installed himself.


I believe this is the video you were trying to add.

 

[CodeMan]

CodeMan, both of those are my vehicles the white dodge is a Demo and almost all of the lights are on different switches. and the Black F-150 is my daily driver and work vehicle. I think it is done very well, and actually has more lights on it now. To each his own.

ETA: The charger is an actual in service vehicle that he (the customer) installed himself.


I believe this is the video you were trying to add.

You see the comments on the thread. and the topic is when is too many lights to many. Emergency lighting was designed to warn others, or to draw attention, like that of a police car or fire apperatuse responding to a call and for the public to move over. Too many lights cause blindness and can cause more harm than good.. As for the white dodge, it was cleared up it was obviously a demo vehicle..

 

[AllStrobedUp]

You see the comments on the thread. and the topic is when is too many lights to many. Emergency lighting was designed to warn others, or to draw attention, like that of a police car or fire apperatuse responding to a call and for the public to move over. Too many lights cause blindness and can cause more harm than good.. As for the white dodge, it was cleared up it was obviously a demo vehicle..

I have not run into any issues with blinding motorists. Given most of the time it is used in day light (funeral processions) other times it is static PR events. My duties are mostly admin therefor most of of the night time warning applications we disabled vehicles and accidents But neither here nor there, nobody will ever be happy and I do not have to justify how many or how little I have.

 

[CodeMan]

I have not run into any issues with blinding motorists. Given most of the time it is used in day light (funeral processions) other times it is static PR events. My duties are mostly admin therefor most of of the night time warning applications we disabled vehicles and accidents But neither here nor there, nobody will ever be happy and I do not have to justify how many or how little I have.

Im sure you get many complements. Again the thread isn't asking you to justify why you have so many (IMHO I don't understand the need myself Since a mini LED bar or beacon would do the same function) but as the videos show the blinding effect head on, or rear approach.


I was aware there was a letter sent out to many police depts. in central Florida where security companies were asking permission to assist with disabled vehicles and directing traffic at auto accidents if they happened upon one. I wouldn't know how many approved it, but saw the letter a cpl of years ago.


Here is a thread covering the Funeral escorts performed by Private contract security firms notice the traffic infractions Im sure not all escorts do this, but the ones that do give the good ones a bad rep.: http://elightbars.org/forums/f80/funeral-escort-40631/


I have seen some really nice marked security vehicles fully lit-up, that didn't make you see spots or a blob of light moving about. And again your correct you don't have to justify why you have to many or too little. So neither here nor there, if the shoe fits sit back and enjoy the comments. opcorn:

 

[AllStrobedUp]

Maybe not motorists but whay about pedestrians at PR functions? Im sure you get many complements. Again the thread isn't asking you to justify why you have so many (IMHO I don't understand the need myself Since a mini LED bar would do the same function) but as the videos show the blinding effect head on, or rear approach.

I was aware there was a letter sent out to many police depts. in central Florida where security companies were asking permission to assist with disabled vehicles and directing traffic at auto accidents if they happened upon one. I wouldn't know how many approved it, but saw the letter a cpl of years ago.


Here is a thread covering the Funeral escorts performed by Private contract security firms: http://elightbars.org/forums/f80/funeral-escort-40631/


I have seen some really nice marked security vehicles fully lit-up that didn't make you see spots of a blob of light moving about. And again your correct you don't have to justify why you have to many or too little. So neither here nor there, if the shoe fits sit back and enjoy the comments. opcorn:

Local LE cannot dictate what we can and cannot do, we have to work within the parameters of state statute, and disabled vehicles and accidents are within our realm of action and responsibility. and for no reason on earth would I have a mini bar on my truck. I actually have a WeCan Freedom on the way. along with a full retrofit of lighting. I am going with Whelen this time because I am now a dealer.


But as I said before and will say again. I believe my vehicle is on par with any other well lit emergency vehicle and not overdone. But thanks for noticing my friend. it seems you are in Central Florida, if you come by Equiptec I would be happy to let you see it in person.

 

[CodeMan]

Local LE cannot dictate what we can and cannot do, we have to work within the parameters of state statute, and disabled vehicles and accidents are within our realm of action and responsibility. and for no reason on earth would I have a mini bar on my truck. I actually have a WeCan Freedom on the way. along with a full retrofit of lighting. I am going with Whelen this time because I am now a dealer.

But as I said before and will say again. I believe my vehicle is on par with any other well lit emergency vehicle and not overdone. But thanks for noticing my friend. it seems you are in Central Florida, if you come by Equiptec I would be happy to let you see it in person.

Yes I see your a dealer and installer, so having demo vehicles would be a must for showing/displaying & selling the various products you carry. This I understand..


And having worked in the security field in this state for 15yrs covering all aspects of that field I want to add the following links so others can see what the mandates are so there's no confusion. Security in Florida is mandated under FS chapter 493.


:http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2013?chapter=493


I'm really not trying to argue here or pick one, I'm just trying to understand the need for large amounts of light and showing the blinding blob effects they have on others Or the need for POV's to have the same output or more than an official emergency vehicle.


Local LE can dictate certain vehicle lighting per the state statutes for flashing head lights, certain colors prohibited & the use of audible warning devices (sirens). Florida Laws: FL Statutes - Title XXIII Motor Vehicles Section 316.001 Short title. - Florida Attorney Resources - Florida Laws


Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine


The definition of an emergency vehicle in the state of Florida is listed below. I'm sure it's the same in other states or a close variation as well. but is provided again as a reference


“Emergency vehicle” shall specifically mean:


1. Any motor vehicle used by any law enforcement officer or employee of any city, any county, the state, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, or the Armed Forces of the United States while on official business;


2. Any fire department vehicle of any city or county of the state or any state fire department vehicle;


3. Any motor vehicle designated as an emergency vehicle by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles when said vehicle is to be assigned the use of frequencies assigned to the state;


4. Any motor vehicle designated as an emergency vehicle by the sheriff or fire chief of any county in the state when said vehicle is to be assigned the use of frequencies assigned to the said county;


5. Any motor vehicle designated as an emergency vehicle by the chief of police or fire chief of any city in the state when said vehicle is to be assigned the use of frequencies assigned to the said city.


In the end I thank you for the conversation. And I wish you the best in your business and I may come in and see what you sell as a potential customer one day.

 

[AllStrobedUp]

Yes I see your a dealer and installer, so having demo vehicles would be a must for showing/displaying & selling the various products you carry. This I understand..

And having worked in the security field in this state for 15yrs covering all aspects of that field I want to add the following links so others can see what the mandates are so there's no confusion. Security in Florida is mandated under FS chapter 493.


:http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2013?chapter=493


I'm really not trying to argue here or pick one, I'm just trying to understand the need for large amounts of light and showing the blinding blob effects they have on others Or the need for POV's to have the same output or more than an official emergency vehicle.


Local LE can dictate certain vehicle lighting per the state statutes for flashing head lights, certain colors prohibited & the use of audible warning devices (sirens). Florida Laws: FL Statutes - Title XXIII Motor Vehicles Section 316.001 Short title. - Florida Attorney Resources - Florida Laws


Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine


The definition of an emergency vehicle in the state of Florida is listed below. I'm sure it's the same in other states or a close variation as well. but is provided again as a reference


“Emergency vehicle” shall specifically mean:


1. Any motor vehicle used by any law enforcement officer or employee of any city, any county, the state, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, or the Armed Forces of the United States while on official business;


2. Any fire department vehicle of any city or county of the state or any state fire department vehicle;


3. Any motor vehicle designated as an emergency vehicle by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles when said vehicle is to be assigned the use of frequencies assigned to the state;


4. Any motor vehicle designated as an emergency vehicle by the sheriff or fire chief of any county in the state when said vehicle is to be assigned the use of frequencies assigned to the said county;


5. Any motor vehicle designated as an emergency vehicle by the chief of police or fire chief of any city in the state when said vehicle is to be assigned the use of frequencies assigned to the said city.


In the end I thank you for the conversation. And I wish you the best in your business and I may come in and see what you sell as a potential customer one day.

Once again. They can not dictate what I can and can not do. Although they can do there job and enforce state statute. And it has been covered in the past, when acting in an official capacity a security vehicle is an emergency vehicle. Although you do not see the need for it. It is still professional and used to that extent. If you think it is to much that is your prerogative. I will keep on keepin on. Like I said before never had an issue, you have never seen it in person so I don't believe your opinion has any grounds. The offer always stands. I am a friendly guy. I will respect your opinion. And all I ask is respect that I disagree with you. I will continue to upfit my vehicles the way I like. I am fortunate to work where I do. Would not change it for anything, people say private security should not do escorts. I think we do a damn good job. Unfortunately their are asshole security officers with no training that decide they want to endanger themselves and the public because they got cool lights and a siren. That's how people get hurt. But for the other 90% of the time you don't hear about it or see videos of crown vics blowing intersections at 70 in a residential area. Remember their are professional private officers that do it everyday Safety and methodically. I pride myself on a no accident record of 200 escorts and I directly attribute it to my vehicle and trained personnel.


ETA: I do not have a HLF because I have HID's. Hopefully once the H10 lifetime leds come out I will have one.

 

[Jamey@NNE]

The h10 ' s are out btw lol

 

[CodeMan]

Once again. They can not dictate what I can and can not do. Although they can do there job and enforce state statute. And it has been covered in the past, when acting in an official capacity a security vehicle is an emergency vehicle. Although you do not see the need for it. It is still professional and used to that extent. If you think it is to much that is your prerogative. I will keep on keepin on. Like I said before never had an issue, you have never seen it in person so I don't believe your opinion has any grounds. The offer always stands. I am a friendly guy. I will respect your opinion. And all I ask is respect that I disagree with you. I will continue to upfit my vehicles the way I like. I am fortunate to work where I do. Would not change it for anything, people say private security should not do escorts. I think we do a damn good job. Unfortunately their are asshole security officers with no training that decide they want to endanger themselves and the public because they got cool lights and a siren. That's how people get hurt. But for the other 90% of the time you don't hear about it or see videos of crown vics blowing intersections at 70 in a residential area. Remember their are professional private officers that do it everyday Safety and methodically. I pride myself on a no accident record of 200 escorts and I directly attribute it to my vehicle and trained personnel.

ETA: I do not have a HLF because I have HID's. Hopefully once the H10 lifetime leds come out I will have one.

At one time I was a security officer and had lights on my vehicle, the bare nessessity. While I could have afforded more, I chose to keep it simple and effective. (sitting in a parking lot) (driving an apartment complex were the owner asked the use of the blinkies be used) the bad guys would know were you were.. Working in contract security is were you saw what most on this forum would call a whacker, inhouse security provided a marked vehicle with or with out a lightbar.


I respect your differing opinions, and the fact we are having a non heated discussion on this topic.


IMHO - Professionalisim lies within the security officer, firefighter, police officer, as an individual, not by how their personally owned vehicle is set up. I welcome everyones comments and opinions even if they disagree and bring a different perspective.


I may be reading to deeply into your comment "when acting in an official capacity a security vehicle is an emergency vehicle." So in that case if any security officer in a uniform using their POV with blinky lights and/or siren installed on their job or in the course of their job duties on private or public properties, would be considered an emergency vehicle? :undecided:


If anyone else is reading this I ask for your thoughts & opinions, maybe I'm just not seeing it. and have been on my job to long.. lol


For the record I Like halogen/led/strobe lights. Im currently looking at a project of making a 70's unmarked cop car for shows.


The thread has veered a little off course, but the convo relates to the topic mindset and I appreceate the conversation on this topic good /bad or indifferent.


Opinions are like A**holes, some are bigger and stink more than others.

 

[AllStrobedUp]

At one time I was a security officer and had lights on my vehicle, the bare nessessity. While I could have afforded more, I chose to keep it simple and effective. (sitting in a parking lot) (driving an apartment complex were the owner asked the use of the blinkies be used) the bad guys would know were you were.. Working in contract security is were you saw what most on this forum would call a whacker, inhouse security provided a marked vehicle with or with out a lightbar.

I respect your differing opinions, and the fact we are having a non heated discussion on this topic.


IMHO - Professionalisim lies within the security officer, firefighter, police officer, as an individual, not by how their personally owned vehicle is set up. I welcome everyones comments and opinions even if they disagree and bring a different perspective.


I may be reading to deeply into your comment "when acting in an official capacity a security vehicle is an emergency vehicle." So in that case if any security officer in a uniform using their POV with blinky lights and/or siren installed on their job or in the course of their job duties on private or public properties, would be considered an emergency vehicle? :undecided:


If anyone else is reading this I ask for your thoughts & opinions, maybe I'm just not seeing it. and have been on my job to long.. lol


For the record I Like halogen/led/strobe lights. Im currently looking at a project of making a 70's unmarked cop car for shows.


The thread has veered a little off course, but the convo relates to the topic mindset and I appreceate the conversation on this topic good /bad or indifferent.


Opinions are like A**holes, some are bigger and stink more than others.

I like what your getting at, agree to disagree. but I guess you could consider my POV an in service demo.


I do have a Security (D) license, But only use it for uniformed activities such as escorts, funeral or otherwise, and the rare occasion I have to sit a post (once last year), But I normally work under my Manager (M) or P.I (CC). so no need for marked vehicle or uniform. I am usually going to talk to clients or officers for spot checks, or surveillance or something of the sort.

 

[CodeMan]

Im not singling out any one profession, as we have many bitten by the light BUG...


Here's tow trucks...

 

[CodeMan]

This IMHO doesn't qualify for a Whacker title. I'm guessing he is a Volly who bought stock in Feniex & Strobes N More companies and made someone's sales quota for the month....


I wanted to post it here as another example of Overkill.

 

[CodeMan]

Here is an example of BASIC POV lighting... and its bright and visible.... Takes all the fun out of who on your dept has the most lights on their pov though...

 

[firemedic10584]

This IMHO doesn't qualify for a Whacker title. I'm guessing he is a Volly who bought stock in Feniex & Strobes N More companies and made someone's sales quota for the month....

I wanted to post it here as another example of Overkill.

I honestly don't think this guy has an overkill situation going on. That part that bothered me the most was his damn big ass sticker in the center of the back window. Maybe slow some patterns down..but he has a pretty good setup and even took the time to make sure he could kill most of the white lights while on scene. Props for that!

 

[CodeMan]

I don't know if NC allows its Vollies to respond to the scene or just to the station to get the apparatus.. If its just to the station it would be overkill, and dual switch boxes got me..

 

[Wailer]

With today's miniature strobe and LED lighting it's not hard to light up an emergency vehicle like a Christmas tree. Now show me a pic of an emergency vehicle that is overloaded with rotating lights and large blinkers, preferably something from the 1980s or earlier.

 

[CodeMan]

With today's miniature strobe and LED lighting it's not hard to light up an emergency vehicle like a Christmas tree. Now show me a pic of an emergency vehicle that is overloaded with rotating lights and large blinkers, preferably something from the 1980s or earlier.

When you say emergency vehicle; I think Fire truck, Rescue squad, Ambulance or police/Law enforcement vehicle. those need to be lit up like a christmas tree...


Maybe thats my issue? Im stuck in the 80's-90's? Like when Vollies had just the basics, and did responces just fine.. :undecided:

 

[Wailer]

When you say emergency vehicle; I think Fire truck, Rescue squad, Ambulance or police/Law enforcement vehicle. those need to be lit up like a christmas tree...

Maybe thats my issue? Im stuck in the 80's-90's? Like when Vollies had just the basics, and did responces just fine.. :undecided:

I can see your argument regarding POVs and supervisory vehicles. They don't need as much lighting as a genuine emergency vehicle.