former member (SuperLoad) arrested
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kadetklapp
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The news feel sorry for him. Methinks somebody ought to send the news links to his ripoff stories here.
Jhart911er
Member
Another FF who feels the need to flash his lights to "acknowledge" something or say hi show me where it says that's ok in the statutes.....this is the reason that volleys get a bad name and LEO's get a hard on for enforcing the laws against them when the time is right to do so. Guess it was his time for enforcing the law.....I'm not saying the cop didn't have it out for him or maybe even had other reasons for the"harassment" but there was probably a very good reason as I'm sure this isn't the first time the two have dealt with each other......on a hind note I'd love to see how whackerific his POV is to attract the attention he so undoubtedly yearned for.....the officer may have just been jealous that this dick had more lights than his small town patrol unit....who knows???
Tom
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Whole situation would have been avoided if the guy just pulled over. If the person in the Corvette really was signalling for help, he too would have pulled over for assistance. I think the assistance claim was BS. It's another case of, 'hey you're following too close to me, I'll flash my lights and show you I'm an authoritative figure in hopes you'll back off.' This time, it just didn't work out for the guy.
Do not use your lights unless responding/on scene. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Do not use your lights unless responding/on scene. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Alot of people wanted to know where this bug was, well we know now.
I knew one of these days he would slip up and get caught.
Jim Rogers
deputychief301
I knew one of these days he would slip up and get caught.
Jim Rogers
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K9Vic
Member
Ok, it did not click to me who that was until I saw the video as I have meet him in the past. When he was doing wide load escorts his CVPI looked like a police car with logos that seemed official. Now he is a FF and it still looks like a police car, but unmarked one now.
As for the off-duty officers, he has no authority to not allow any other person to make a phone call to someone (Wesley's chief). I do think from that short audio clip that the two have had dealings with in the past and this time it got aggravated. It will be interesting to see what comes of this.
As for the off-duty officers, he has no authority to not allow any other person to make a phone call to someone (Wesley's chief). I do think from that short audio clip that the two have had dealings with in the past and this time it got aggravated. It will be interesting to see what comes of this.
It seems like a case of "Hey look at this whacker, lets harass and antagonize him until he feels compelled to react and then we can finally get him!"
hawkspringsfire
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kadetklapp
Member
Look at the comments. I cannot believe people are siding with this clown. I don't really care at this point if the officer in the 'Vette was a toolbox or not, this idiot illegally activated his lights and got popped for it. He's driving a crown vic set up to look like a police car. This isn't some pickup truck with a arrowstick on the back, this guy is going out of his way to impersonate.
jswwjw
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Station 3
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JohnMarcson
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........here are my two issues..............
1- You don't turn your lights on for any non-official reason when on public roads... period... no flashing people to "say" anything.. end of story
2- We don't have enough info for an informed discussion or any other real observation. We can guess all we want, but we are guessing....
1- You don't turn your lights on for any non-official reason when on public roads... period... no flashing people to "say" anything.. end of story
2- We don't have enough info for an informed discussion or any other real observation. We can guess all we want, but we are guessing....
theroofable
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kadetklapp
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kadetklapp said:
Well, it could be if the guy in the 'Vette deliberately tailgated and flashed his headlights trying to provoke a response. But, like others have said, we don't have enough details to make an informed decision.
Not taking sides in this, just making a point...
IF he activated his rear lights AFTER becoming stationary at roadside in potential assistance of another motorist, the tickets should be tossed. Around here, if we stop to assist a motorist or at an incident outside of our jurisdiction, we are not harassed by PD about our lights being activated while stationary and roadside because they understand that we are keeping ourselves from getting creamed by some idiot not wanting to slow down.
IF he activated his rear lights AFTER becoming stationary at roadside in potential assistance of another motorist, the tickets should be tossed. Around here, if we stop to assist a motorist or at an incident outside of our jurisdiction, we are not harassed by PD about our lights being activated while stationary and roadside because they understand that we are keeping ourselves from getting creamed by some idiot not wanting to slow down.
I don't buy the need for turning on his lights as a way to signal anything because if you watch the video, you can CLEARLY tell that he is a responder due to the 4 TIR3s surface mounted to the back end, along with FF plates... Fishy fishy
ff_emt_820 said:
Article says he flashed the guy behind him to get him to back off. That may not be exactly what it says, but that's how I read it.
HILO
Member
It really does not matter what else hapened, or what we dont know. We do know that the wacker turned on his emergency lights for no valid reason, which is also illegal. The off duty cop could have had a sign on his windshiled that read "TURN ON YOUR FLASHING LIGHTS" and it still would have been illegal to do so. This is yet another example of someone driving a vehicle that is commonly used by LE's while not an LE, and further making it look 'official' like a LE vehicle with lights and a push bumper.
Beyond the illegal use of his lights, the whole deal sounds like a case of road rage on both partys. The off duty cop for catching up to and tail gating the volly, the volly for speeding and tail gating the other motorist, the off duty for flashing his high beams, and the volly for trying to intimidate the off duty cop with his flashing lights.
My guess would be the volly did not like the Vette driver showing 'contempt of image of a cop' to wit the Crown victoria dressed up to look like an un-marked LE car. License plates, and stickers are not the escape clause, as most drivers pay no attention to others license plates, or stickers on the windows.
I hpe he gets the conviction and has his red light privilages taken away. For ever.
If you are a Volunteer Fire fighter/EMS, your privilage of lights do not involve traffic enforcement, or 'backing' another motorist of your bumper. There are alot of road cops that pull beside or infront of a violator to put them on the curb. This individual is dangerous and stupid, which is a bad combination.
Beyond the illegal use of his lights, the whole deal sounds like a case of road rage on both partys. The off duty cop for catching up to and tail gating the volly, the volly for speeding and tail gating the other motorist, the off duty for flashing his high beams, and the volly for trying to intimidate the off duty cop with his flashing lights.
My guess would be the volly did not like the Vette driver showing 'contempt of image of a cop' to wit the Crown victoria dressed up to look like an un-marked LE car. License plates, and stickers are not the escape clause, as most drivers pay no attention to others license plates, or stickers on the windows.
I hpe he gets the conviction and has his red light privilages taken away. For ever.
If you are a Volunteer Fire fighter/EMS, your privilage of lights do not involve traffic enforcement, or 'backing' another motorist of your bumper. There are alot of road cops that pull beside or infront of a violator to put them on the curb. This individual is dangerous and stupid, which is a bad combination.
Amanda said:
Those aren't FF plates for the record. They're Arkansas fallen firefighter memorial plates, available to anyone.
MT22FD
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kadetklapp said:
entrapment legal definition of entrapment. entrapment synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
"The act of government agents or officials that induces a person to commit a crime he or she is not previously disposed to commit."
The Off duty.( goverment agent or official) Induces ( tailgaiting and flashing his headights) a person to commit a crime
Thanks I dont need a hillbilly cop( or wannabe) tow truck drive to tell me I dont know my law.
He posted this comment on Statter911:
Westley says:
There’s much more to this story than just what was reported. It simply appears to be a case of small town good ol’ boy “I’m a police officer and can do whatever I want.” While being interviewed by KATV Channel 7, Ron Parsons was captured on camera as saying the following to Westley Steinert.
” You’re going to regret this. You’ve started a big stink that you and your family are not prepared to handle.”
Chief Parsons, who is also employed in the capacity of Detective, with the Saline County Sheriff’s Department, was in his Sheriff’s uniform, driving a Sheriff’s car, at the time of the threatening statements.
I should bring to light that A) I have first hand knowledge of this incident because I AM Westley Steinert. B) My Fire Chief is also an Arkansas LEO, and has approved the equipment on my vehicle, My Captain is a Police Chief in Arkansas, and has approved my vehicle and its contents,and My Deputy Chief is a Sworn LEO in Arkansas and has approved my vehicle and equipment. C)At no time was I impersonating anything, my vehicle is quite easily identified as a fire vehicle not only by color of lights, but my decals and license plates.
D) To clarify; The Corvette followed me for approximately 3.5-4 miles, tailgating ME. The ” Following too closely” charge comes from being behind a passenger car that turned out in front of my, on a two lane road, 10 o’clock at night, with blind corners and no passing zones. So I followed THAT vehicle until they turned off, at which point I DID accellerate in an attempt to put distance between myself and the Corvette that was tailgating me with his high beam headlights on. By this time, we are within his “on-duty” jurisdiction, when he started flashing his headlights at me, and I pulled over in a safe, well lit area off the roadway, the driveway to a local school. The situation went downhill from there. I was assaulted(which is recorded) in front of my wife and child, my wife was “ordered” to not call anyone (which is on the recording) and arrested, transported and jailed…and my vehicle was ransacke throughout the searching *for which I never consented*.
I also point out that the “Chief” of Bauxite PD, which I have indicated works for Saline County Sheriff’s Department…called a towing company to impound my vehicle. Oddly enough, that SAME towing company employs another Sheriff’s Deputy as a driver…and guess who was there when I went to retrieve my vehicle from that towing company? A fully dressed, in uniform Saline County Sheriff’s Deputy/Tow Truck Driver, who was handling my towing issues…conflict of interests? I think so.
As for the Corvette…No blue flashing lights were displayed. I was never met with a badge, credentials, or gun..only a statement , “I’m an off-duty police officer and youre going to jail.” Im almost certain that his Corvette is not equipped with a “Certified Calibrated” speedometer, nor radar, nor video recording device.
My question: he had a cell phone to call everyone else on Bauxite PD…why didnt he call 911, if he had an issue with my driving in ANOTHER JURISDICTION? Instead he pursued me, put not only myself, but his passenger and other motorists at risk my brightlighting me, tailgating me, and “IF” I were doing 90mph around the corner that is shown in the news video….WHY WAS HE? I had not committed any serious offense.
This is just a small glimpse of what is truly going on. I will continue to update as things come to light and court date is closer. Thanks.
Westley Steinert
RFD #4122
Westley says:
There’s much more to this story than just what was reported. It simply appears to be a case of small town good ol’ boy “I’m a police officer and can do whatever I want.” While being interviewed by KATV Channel 7, Ron Parsons was captured on camera as saying the following to Westley Steinert.
” You’re going to regret this. You’ve started a big stink that you and your family are not prepared to handle.”
Chief Parsons, who is also employed in the capacity of Detective, with the Saline County Sheriff’s Department, was in his Sheriff’s uniform, driving a Sheriff’s car, at the time of the threatening statements.
I should bring to light that A) I have first hand knowledge of this incident because I AM Westley Steinert. B) My Fire Chief is also an Arkansas LEO, and has approved the equipment on my vehicle, My Captain is a Police Chief in Arkansas, and has approved my vehicle and its contents,and My Deputy Chief is a Sworn LEO in Arkansas and has approved my vehicle and equipment. C)At no time was I impersonating anything, my vehicle is quite easily identified as a fire vehicle not only by color of lights, but my decals and license plates.
D) To clarify; The Corvette followed me for approximately 3.5-4 miles, tailgating ME. The ” Following too closely” charge comes from being behind a passenger car that turned out in front of my, on a two lane road, 10 o’clock at night, with blind corners and no passing zones. So I followed THAT vehicle until they turned off, at which point I DID accellerate in an attempt to put distance between myself and the Corvette that was tailgating me with his high beam headlights on. By this time, we are within his “on-duty” jurisdiction, when he started flashing his headlights at me, and I pulled over in a safe, well lit area off the roadway, the driveway to a local school. The situation went downhill from there. I was assaulted(which is recorded) in front of my wife and child, my wife was “ordered” to not call anyone (which is on the recording) and arrested, transported and jailed…and my vehicle was ransacke throughout the searching *for which I never consented*.
I also point out that the “Chief” of Bauxite PD, which I have indicated works for Saline County Sheriff’s Department…called a towing company to impound my vehicle. Oddly enough, that SAME towing company employs another Sheriff’s Deputy as a driver…and guess who was there when I went to retrieve my vehicle from that towing company? A fully dressed, in uniform Saline County Sheriff’s Deputy/Tow Truck Driver, who was handling my towing issues…conflict of interests? I think so.
As for the Corvette…No blue flashing lights were displayed. I was never met with a badge, credentials, or gun..only a statement , “I’m an off-duty police officer and youre going to jail.” Im almost certain that his Corvette is not equipped with a “Certified Calibrated” speedometer, nor radar, nor video recording device.
My question: he had a cell phone to call everyone else on Bauxite PD…why didnt he call 911, if he had an issue with my driving in ANOTHER JURISDICTION? Instead he pursued me, put not only myself, but his passenger and other motorists at risk my brightlighting me, tailgating me, and “IF” I were doing 90mph around the corner that is shown in the news video….WHY WAS HE? I had not committed any serious offense.
This is just a small glimpse of what is truly going on. I will continue to update as things come to light and court date is closer. Thanks.
Westley Steinert
RFD #4122
Respondcode3 said:
To be fair, reading the "Free Online Law Dictionary" doesn't equate to knowing the law. Entrapment has very strict requirements that must be met and this case does not meet those.
So your saying you know all the detail to this case? No one here does. And as a matter of fact I do know about the details of entrapment. I love how you thow that word out all the cops get defensive..
Doug said:
And we still don't have the whole story. We still don't have a quarter of the story. Like I tell people who are having a conflict while I'm working. "I'm going to listen to your story, and then I'm going to listen to his story, and somewhere in the middle we have some truth."
Respondcode3 said:
Again, to be fair, you seemed a bit defensive by calling a poster names (hillbilly cop or something similar).
I do not know all the details. But tailgating somebody is not entrapment for speeding, impersonation, or improper use of emergency lights (the charges he received to the best of my knowledge).
kadetklapp
Member
Respondcode3 said:
I guess you need a lesson on a lot of things, not just basic criminal law. Don't think I'm a cop? Want an ORI number for proof? You wouldn't even know where to put it. How did that government official induce your boyfriend into committing a crime? Did he put him under duress (look that one up too, brainiac)? Stick to rescuing cats from trees, pillock.
kadetklapp
Member
Respondcode3 said:
It's plainly obvious that you know next to nothing about criminal law and procedure. That much is evident.
JohnMarcson
Administrator
I really feel obligated to speculate based on conjecture, hear-say and limited media info.... since that seems to be the cool thing to do.......
I'm tempted to lock this until the court case plays out... but I'm not going to.... please let's try to keep this factual.... we all have a picture in our heads about what we think happened based on this limited info.... but those of you with the self control to refrain from speculating please do so.....
I'm tempted to lock this until the court case plays out... but I'm not going to.... please let's try to keep this factual.... we all have a picture in our heads about what we think happened based on this limited info.... but those of you with the self control to refrain from speculating please do so.....
Respondcode3 said:
The reason why cops get all defensive is because people misunderstand what entrapment really is. I get told that it's entrapment when I hide my patrol vehicle while conducting radar enforcement. I get told it's entrapment when police use a female officer posing as a prostitute. Hell, people were claiming entrapment when a cop was standing with a cardboard sign looking for motorists using cell phones.
Has anyone considered that maybe the off duty cop called the jurisdiction where they originally were in, and found out the cops there were all tied up? Has anyone considered that Steinert was possibly doing 90 before the Corvette was involved? I'm not saying that's what happened, but I'm sensing a lot of anti-police sentiment here. Let the courts decide if Steinert is guilty: the cop certainly felt that he had reasonable grounds for the arrest. I also don't let people call other people when I'm dealing with them: there have been cases where the person makes a call, and a bunch of his buddies show up with or without weapons and get involved.
Once again, I'm not saying that is what happened in this situation, it could be that Steinert didn't do anything wrong. However, based on the number of people with criminal records saying that their conviction wasn't fair, that the cops got it all wrong, I tend to be more inclined to believe the police. I am not passing judgement, I am curious to see how this develops through the court system.
Oh, and before I forget: IBTR
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JohnMarcson said:
Yup. Lots of rushing to judgement here based on very little information. But I've seen that before, both on this board and others.
And then there are those who are forming their opinion based on other dealings with this person unrelated to the case at hand. "He screwed me, so he must be guilty of this too."