Dodge ram 2500 cannon install and feniex4200 controller
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Zapp Brannigan
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Strike Two......
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TX_Mark
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Wrong lights for that application.... I sure hope there is more lighting on that truck. If there isn't, why the 4200?
Carlos SpicyWeiner
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I havn't talked to the customer.... BUT... the things that stick out to me most is the amount of money spent to do such a minuscule job.
Switching from Cannons to T-6's not only would have saved the customer $90 but also would have been more effective. I would have started out with just the storm siren. No need for the 4200 at this stage of the game. The storm could have handled the lights and if they upgraded the lighting package in the future it woudl have tied in easily at that time.
Switching from Cannons to T-6's not only would have saved the customer $90 but also would have been more effective. I would have started out with just the storm siren. No need for the 4200 at this stage of the game. The storm could have handled the lights and if they upgraded the lighting package in the future it woudl have tied in easily at that time.
Here's a link to that same truck from further back.
We need a mod to combine his two threads and rename them to "this is how you know you're in the wrong line of work".
I mean at least this time they weren't crooked but WHY?????? ONE T6 would have been more effective. Not one pair but one light!
We need a mod to combine his two threads and rename them to "this is how you know you're in the wrong line of work".
I mean at least this time they weren't crooked but WHY?????? ONE T6 would have been more effective. Not one pair but one light!
He did have any other switches already in the truck he is wanting to add a interior Apollo bar front and rear when released and not sure what else he wants yet
Carlos SpicyWeiner
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911graphicsandlighting said:
There is no explaining it. You just ran four hundred dollars worth of lights off of a $400 controller. You could have ran those lights and the Apollo light bars off of one $2 toggle switch. Seriously. Find a new line of work or at least sit back and read the forum until you learn more about lights before you're laughed off the forum.
Carlos SpicyWeiner
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911graphicsandlighting said:
I'm assuming this is why you chose cannons instead of T-6's?
There are plenty of dealers that have them in stock. I've helped out/been helped by VecTec, SirenWorld, Not Normal, and several other Feniex dealers during bad lead times. Lead times are a part of the industry which is why you try to stock as much as possible. BUT... don't be afraid to go outside the box and get something from another dealer. I've had to do it to get a customer taken care of. I've also just passed a customer onto another dealer that I knew had something in stock. Most of the larger Feniex distributors do get along ok.
That why there is only 1 t-6 to rear customer requested cannons one for size and two for the flood option to the front of the truck at night
TX_Mark
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911graphicsandlighting said:
The Titans series would have been better for his flood option. You have to remember people come to you to install the stuff they need, so it's pretty safe to say they don't know what they really want or need.. Or are lazy/don't have the time or tools to do it themselves. You really should have a chat with them first and HELP the customer pick what is best for the application. To me that truck looks like ... twinkle twinkle little star!
Not bashing.. Being up front.
Carlos SpicyWeiner
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911graphicsandlighting said:
I'm not bashing you. I said in my original post "I havn't talked to the customer here"
I would try considerably to explain (and do side by side comparisons as well as show videos) the reasons why certain lightheads are not meant to be used in certain applications. I guess it is different up there... down here the $90 savings on the lightheads alone would of been convinced all of my customers to go with the cheaper light head that works better.
Additionally the T-6 would have been an easier install than a cannon.
911graphicsandlighting said:
I don't have the luxury of having customers with tons of cash to blow down here. I'm constantly trying to find the cheapest way to get their car taken care of because that is what they demand/need. I've sold several 4200's and countless Cannons but never in a fashion like this. You seem to have a knack for selling. I wish I had it. Business would be a lot different.
TX_Mark
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911graphicsandlighting said:
That fine, but did you show them comparisons ( this VS this) , price differences?
Carlos SpicyWeiner
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911graphicsandlighting said:
911graphicsandlighting said:
Then this setup is on the customer. Like I said, I wish I had customers like this. The extra money per install would add up nicely.
I did over a 2 hr period of walking through the install with him he spent a lot on this setup. And to a lot if people 90 is a lot but to some it just don't matter but what they want and will not have it any other way
It seems to be a common thing that these people who are making excuses about their installations blame it on the customers desires. Obviously in some of the cases this is true. But not all of them!
I truly don't believe that if you showed a guy T6 next to a cannon they would pick the cannon for that type of install. From my limited experience customers don't usually come in requesting that type of item. They will either come and saying I need a Whelen or "linear light" but rarely actually know specific model names. The ones that do know specific models are generally the ones who have done research and would never choose that poorly.
I truly don't believe that if you showed a guy T6 next to a cannon they would pick the cannon for that type of install. From my limited experience customers don't usually come in requesting that type of item. They will either come and saying I need a Whelen or "linear light" but rarely actually know specific model names. The ones that do know specific models are generally the ones who have done research and would never choose that poorly.
Carlos SpicyWeiner
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911graphicsandlighting said:
Have him rip the tint down if he is going to put an apollo bar in. Otherwise he needs to just go with a pegasus
Are the cannons amber or red?
911graphicsandlighting said:
How about some substantial lighting now that you have all the cute stuff taken care of. Put an interior lightbar and a dash light and two larger or four smaller lights in the grill and some LAWs or maybe strobes. Then at least t6 on each side and two cobra 800 sticks stacked on top of each other and synced and some LAWs in the tail lights or strobes or TLF.
TX_Mark
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That is my thought also and in advise him to use a cobra 800 to rear instead of the Apollo for concerns of bit not being bright enough just judging off the 2x
911graphicsandlighting said:
Additional lighting all around the truck to provide warning, again this is where you step in and educate the customer and show them a safe effective setup compared to the ineffective setup that he/she wants.
Its not all about "i have blinkies and shit", we are here to do a job and that is to provide emergency services to people in the safest way possible and that does include responding in a safe effective vehicle that will get the publics attention and not one that will cause more problems and crashes due to its ineffectiveness.
But thats just me, I do make money, but I am not here to just make money, I am here to provide safe effective warning systems for all my customers no matter what. I have and will continue to turn down business when I have a "woo woo" aka "whacker" who wants a shitty setup, guess what happens when they spend money on shitty equipment and installs. They come to me to fix their eff'd up setups. Its plain and simple, I will not be responsible for a dumbass customer who wants a shit install, who causes someone to lose their life because they don't know shit about warning equipment.
911graphicsandlighting said:
Then talk to your customer into it and then post pictures of a good install so we can compliment you on your installation rather than make fun of it. I'm sure most of the installers on this site have done very small jobs and have done some very poor jobs while learning. But they never posted pictures of those until they learned enough to get it right.
GPC
Member
Are they red or are they amber? Video makes it hard to tell. Did the customer also pick the pattern on this one to?
Zapp Brannigan
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Cannons are great little lights. As surface mount they are NOT meant for primary warning. Ancillary warning/secondary, yes. As HAWs they are pretty darned good.
As for the application here... This guy will end up in an MVA because he will not be effectively seen. His own decision for the install or not, just remember when he gets hit, or hits someone else, remember who did the install. If there's a good lawyer out there, he will write your little name in on the affidavit as well for such a pathetic install as a contributing factor. I know if I was a lawyer I would have the upfitter on the stand. Try and justify why you installed what you did. "Because this is what the customer wanted, and even though I knew it was ineffective/dangerous and told him the same thing, I did the install anyway".
How do you think THAT is going to hold up as a defense in court??? He will mention how nice the 4200 is, and then mention how those tiny twinkly little lights care mainly blocked by that BIG front bumper.
Remember, things can come back to bit you in the ass later.
As for the application here... This guy will end up in an MVA because he will not be effectively seen. His own decision for the install or not, just remember when he gets hit, or hits someone else, remember who did the install. If there's a good lawyer out there, he will write your little name in on the affidavit as well for such a pathetic install as a contributing factor. I know if I was a lawyer I would have the upfitter on the stand. Try and justify why you installed what you did. "Because this is what the customer wanted, and even though I knew it was ineffective/dangerous and told him the same thing, I did the install anyway".
How do you think THAT is going to hold up as a defense in court??? He will mention how nice the 4200 is, and then mention how those tiny twinkly little lights care mainly blocked by that BIG front bumper.
Remember, things can come back to bit you in the ass later.
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CovertLights.com
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Just a option for a much better front setup
if your customer wants a flood option would be to use a T6 dual bezel with a titan flood head over a t6 warning head for the grille.
then replace the cannons on the bumpers with single t6's
simple slightly custom and effective
then use the cannons either on the sides or light housings
if your customer wants a flood option would be to use a T6 dual bezel with a titan flood head over a t6 warning head for the grille.
then replace the cannons on the bumpers with single t6's
simple slightly custom and effective
then use the cannons either on the sides or light housings
GPC
Member
soooooo....got any more crappy installs you wish to share with us?
Can I also suggest you stop using Feniex products...you are making a good company look bad.
Can I also suggest you stop using Feniex products...you are making a good company look bad.