unityrv26 said:I'm not a firefighter so I don't know the method to the madness....but shouldn't they be more worried about the structure fire than the van fire? I don't see them putting any water on the structure for the first three minutes of the video.
JohnMarcson said:Dual color LEDs would make it possible for them to "clear the right of way" in red/blue or all red, then "block the right of way" in blue and amber.
Just a guess, but I'm thinking of two words: gas tank.unityrv26 said:I'm not a firefighter so I don't know the method to the madness....but shouldn't they be more worried about the structure fire than the van fire? I don't see them putting any water on the structure for the first three minutes of the video.
VolEms said:I find it strange since in NJ Blue is a Courtesy light.
It's still a blue light and no siren on POVs state though right? I know that they allow some blue on fire vehicles, but I think their vollies still use it minus a siren on their POVs.Eric223 said:Blue is not a courtesy light in NJ and hasn't been for several years now.
Eric223 said:Blue is not a courtesy light in NJ and hasn't been for several years now.
JohnMarcson said:It's still a blue light and no siren on POVs state though right? I know that allow it on fire vehicles, but I think their vollies still use it minus a siren on their POVs.
MtnMan said:Just a guess, but I'm thinking of two words: gas tank.
theroofable said:Someone posted on here before that each company has different colored lights so that command can tell them apart.
VolEms said:The only reason I would think they put blue is so ppl will respect the POV's responding with blue lights. Just my 2 cents. I dont think command is a reason.
NJEMT said:I like that idea. I'll go with it. Also there was a picture on here a while ago of a NJ police car with a completely blue light bar. Dont remember where in NJ it was from.
Eric223 said:Blue is not a courtesy light in NJ and hasn't been for several years now.
Not yet.WS224 said:Evidently your not a firefighter either........lol.
Yes. However the law says emergency vehicle can have red or blue. So you can go all blue and still be legal.JohnMarcson said:It's still a blue light and no siren on POVs state though right? I know that they allow some blue on fire vehicles, but I think their vollies still use it minus a siren on their POVs.
I find it strange you say that because last time I checked it was a mandatory yield stateVolEms said:I find it strange since in NJ Blue is a Courtesy light.
No, and apparently they do because they do have different colored lights. Yeah you might find it strange, but if it has been working for them for years, it is just fine to me. That might be the first thing the IC looks for. Remember, these trucks with different light schemes report to the same chief, since its one department.efdny2003 said:NJ is a courtesy light state so I can't understand why they would want all blue bars. There are also a few light bars that need to have their patterns changed. Having different color light bars so the IC can tell companies apart makes no sense, the last thing the IC is going to look at are the colors of the lights on the trucks coming in.
pdk9 said:IF that is truly the rationale (or a major contributing factor) that is one ridiculous idea. When running such a call, IC should always have a whiteboard out with a basic layout/aerial view of the structure and where units are operating (ie E3 attack on delta side, R1 crew alpha side on RIT, etc). Some battalion chiefs I know even park down the road and prefer to just operate by their whiteboards, PAR boards, and radio reports from crews operating inside the IDLH (I'm not a big fan of that approach, personally). While I like to be able to see what's going on, however, I'm not going to spec a rig with all X color emergency lighting for that one purpose, and IF I felt it was absolutely necessary to have some flashing indicator at night of which vehicle is which, A single strobe beacon (assuming its not green) would probably sufficient. I mean, u don't see all command vehicles responding code 3 with 100% green lightbars and perimeter lights merely for on scene identification purposes.
Being in a state that allows both red and blue pretty much anywhere on fire apparatus (as opposed to the states where I've worked fire rescue: NY=red on all sides with blue only to rear, FL=all red and no blue), it's disappointing to see that Mahwah is restricting themselves to single colors/ they aren't taking advantage of having a solid mix of both colors, b/c each color has its own benefit (ie red better at day vs blue better at night) and a proper combination of multiple colors can improve the safety/visibility/effectiveness of their rigs when responding and when parked on scene
VolEms said:So a Vollie responding Blue with no siren in a POV ppl need to pull over and he can run traffic lights???
foxtrot5 said:Based on location, are you the Eric I'm thinking of?
Correct. The blue light does not grant any additional allowances to volunteers responding to a call for service. They still are not supposed to "break" an intersection, travel against traffic flow, or disregard other traffic laws. They also may not use any audible warning device. Any NJ Vollie who says otherwise is misinformed. The bill they will reference is what comes up on google when you search for use of an electric air horn. It was a proposed bill but was NOT passed.
zackvv said:Pretty sure in NJ you can run a 100W air horn only.
NJEMT said:You can have a siren too, but if you want to keep it legal you cant use a noise making device while responding.
zackvv said:Pretty sure in NJ you can run a 100W air horn only.
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JohnMarcson said:It's still a blue light and no siren on POVs state though right? I know that they allow some blue on fire vehicles, but I think their vollies still use it minus a siren on their POVs.
unityrv26 said:I'm not a firefighter so I don't know the method to the madness....but shouldn't they be more worried about the structure fire than the van fire? I don't see them putting any water on the structure for the first three minutes of the video.
Eric223 said:
Where does it state this? All drivers must yield to a flashing blue light in the same manner as emergency vehicles pursuant to RS 39:4-92 (which includes intersections)VolEms said:It looks like red is still the only legit emergency color. The law states you can't go through a light with blue lights flashing.
Prohibited are sirens, whistles, or bells to non emergency vehicles. Not airhorns.foxtrot5 said:Most PDs will "turn a blind eye" to an airhorn but under current NJ law (as far as I know) is it technically not allowed. Don't take my word on it, consult NJ DMV and/or ask your local PD to provide you with a copy of the current vehicle code and applicable laws.
theroofable said:Someone posted on here before that each company has different colored lights so that command can tell them apart.
theroofable said:1. If it works for them, why should they change it. Just because you think its silly, doesnt mean that it isnt effective.
2. Green is not an emergency vehicle warning color, blue is.
3. I agree that if it was my choice, I would choose different colors, but its up to them in the end. Obviously the science doesnt matter to them
4. Who says they dont use a white board just on the fact that their trucks use specific light colors. Now THAT is a ridiculous statement.
pdk9 said:C) Why don't you find something else to do besides being a desktop commando and trying to feel like hot $hit by twisting what others say when they share their thoughts, so that you can try and feel smart when responding to other comments; it's not like any of us who disagree with their color choice of all blue on this particular piece of apparatus are petitioning the commissioners and chief staff of that dept. to change anything.
Bonanno said:Surprised no comments about the PASS alarm sounding constant for most of the video, RIT team just standing there. That posses me off, if one is sounding do a PAR figure out why it's sounding and from where.