NYPD Rear Deck Lights?

CHIEFOPS said:
Uhh, no.
UF is for "Uniformed Force", not unified form, it has nothing to do with the mergers. Most NYPD forms date back to when the Dept referred to itself as a Police Force, not a politically correct Police Service that it is today. The change from "force" to "service" came around 1972 or 73, when the female police officers were allowed on patrol and the rank was changed from Patrolman to the gender neutral Police Officer.


A "49" is exactly what I said it is, an unusual occurrence report to the Chief of Patrol. It's format is copied for other interdepartmental correspondence, but those are not really 49s. As for your example of the person shot, it's relative, there are precincts where poeople are shot almost daily, and by definition are not unusual occurrences, though in this age of micromanagement, some believe it is.





Now, what started me down this road is it irritates me when anyone, from anywhere, tosses around agency-specific lingo and assumes everyone else in the conversation knows what it means, or worse, does it for some juvenile attempt to impress everyone with their "inside" or priveleged knowledge.


Whenever I talk about technical stuff, I make every effort to use layman or universally recognized terminoligy so as not to confuse people.
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You are absolutely wrong but I will not continue to argue here. It is Unified Form which combined the different forms from the different agencies into one standard after the mergers. I work in a precinct where people being shot is a common occurrence and an unusual occurrence report is done each and every time on every shooting in every precinct.. A 49 is used for many reasons. It is not just an unusual occurrence report, I've written many 49's, have you?. It is the format of a departmental letter. Period. If you dont know what what you are talking about, dont pretend too. If you work for the NYPD feel free to read PG 212-09 about Unusual Occurrence Reports. Also see this link from nyc.gov discussing the UF-250 Stop, Question, Frisk form clearly referred to as the UNIFIED FORM 250 in appendix D. http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/public_information/TR534_FINALCompiled.pdf Now Im done with this.
 
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one11sgt said:
You are absolutely wrong but I will not continue to argue here. It is Unified Form which combined the different forms from the different agencies into one standard after the mergers. I work in a precinct where people being shot is a common occurrence and an unusual occurrence report is done each and every time on every shooting in every precinct.. A 49 is used for many reasons. It is not just an unusual occurrence report, I've written many 49's, have you?. It is the format of a departmental letter. Period. If you dont know what what you are talking about, dont pretend too. If you work for the NYPD feel free to read PG 212-09 about Unusual Occurrence Reports. Also see this link from nyc.gov discussing the UF-250 Stop, Question, Frisk form clearly referred to as the UNIFIED FORM 250 in appendix D. http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/public_information/TR534_FINALCompiled.pdf Now Im done with this.
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1. The Rand Corporation is simply wrong.





2. The fact remains, the letters UF stand/stood for Uniformed Force, it's a leftover from the old days, if you can find anyone hired before, say, 1979, they'll tell you that. That report, like many others existed long before the mergers in 1995.





As a point of reference, I refer you to the NYPD Rules and Procedures (the Dept manual prior to the Patrol Guide issued in 1972(?)), circa 1960 as the forward page is signed by P.C. Stephen Kennedy (1955-1961), section 18/120.0 page 269 Abbreviations: U.F. - Uniformed Force. All the forms that still exist today- the Complaint Report, the Request for Leave, the Aided Report, the Acciden Report-City Involved, all were UFxx. So here endeth this lesson.





As for the "49", I have to cede that point to you, in that the UF49 is not the Unusual Occurrence Report, it is in fact an "Official Letterhead" .





As for what's "unusual", when I came on, when we were a lot busier with less manpower than than you are today, there were many incidents that were considered "routine patrol" that today are 1st degree clusterf*cks. I worked entirely In Manhattan North, primarly Harlem and East/Spanish Harlem, most shooting victim cases were resolved with a Complaint report, an Aided report, a notification to the Detective Squad, the victim was sent to the hospital and everyone resumed patrol.


Oh, and by the way, ask someone who works in the Chief of Patrol's Office, the Chief of Patrol doesn't even see most of the Unusual Occurrence reports forwarded to him.





If you want to learn about the real NYPD, not the disaster that it is now, find someone who was hired before say, 1995, (pre- Giuliani-Bratton/COMPSTAT/Housing and Transit takeover) things were very different, a majority of the members there today below the rank of Inspector or Chief don't posses the institutional knowledge someone hired before then will have.
 
CHIEFOPS said:
1. The Rand Corporation is simply wrong.



2. The fact remains, the letters UF stand/stood for Uniformed Force, it's a leftover from the old days, if you can find anyone hired before, say, 1979, they'll tell you that. That report, like many others existed long before the mergers in 1995.





As a point of reference, I refer you to the NYPD Rules and Procedures (the Dept manual prior to the Patrol Guide issued in 1972(?)), circa 1960 as the forward page is signed by P.C. Stephen Kennedy (1955-1961), section 18/120.0 page 269 Abbreviations: U.F. - Uniformed Force. All the forms that still exist today- the Complaint Report, the Request for Leave, the Aided Report, the Acciden Report-City Involved, all were UFxx. So here endeth this lesson.





As for the "49", I have to cede that point to you, in that the UF49 is not the Unusual Occurrence Report, it is in fact an "Official Letterhead" .





As for what's "unusual", when I came on, when we were a lot busier with less manpower than than you are today, there were many incidents that were considered "routine patrol" that today are 1st degree clusterf*cks. I worked entirely In Manhattan North, primarly Harlem and East/Spanish Harlem, most shooting victim cases were resolved with a Complaint report, an Aided report, a notification to the Detective Squad, the victim was sent to the hospital and everyone resumed patrol.


Oh, and by the way, ask someone who works in the Chief of Patrol's Office, the Chief of Patrol doesn't even see most of the Unusual Occurrence reports forwarded to him.





If you want to learn about the real NYPD, not the disaster that it is now, find someone who was hired before say, 1995, (pre- Giuliani-Bratton/COMPSTAT/Housing and Transit takeover) things were very different, a majority of the members there today below the rank of Inspector or Chief don't posses the institutional knowledge someone hired before then will have.
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You done yet? :no: :no: :no:
 
A 49 is Typed letterhead. Don't forget where to put the caps, and bold print etc. A 50 is Official Dept Letterhead (The blue ink sheet you see in the closet in roll call.) that mostly goes externally. An unusual is termed a 49, but I think it even has it's own new number. You can print them on intranet now, I'll check tomorrow. Transfers are 57's, days off are 28's, (used to be a 33 as well with the $5 slipped in to get the boss to sign it) toe tags are 95's, complaints are 61's....Isn't this forum about lightbars though???
 
You are correct.


I didn't see the need to identify those forms by Dept lingo because that was the point of my original rant, the practice of using agency specific lingo with poeople who aren't in the agency, it's just inconsiderate, if not rude or even juvenile (as well as tactically indescreet). Nice to see someone else with time on in this forum.


I think I've made my point, so lets get back to lights and sirens.


 
This thread turned awful code 26, I'm gonna go take a 92 and then 10-7...


Crap like this is why my department got rid of 10 codes, signals and status codes and went to plain English...
 
so, how about those deck lights? :hopeless:
 
Storm4200 said:
so, how about those deck lights? :hopeless:
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exactly, i still havent found any avengers........


though i did see a inner edge in a unmarked impala rmp , the LT is a real buff in brooklyn......... he even has a 12m in the car
 
49. Its a damn number. Enough said.


Moving to the original question. Ive seen a few. Not in person, but they are very scarce IMHO.
 
How 'bout them Giants??? (They're NY too!!!)


Christ, a question about a deck light turned into a grade A dick measuring contest. 95% of us here don't know WTF you're talking about, so why continue throwing the tape measure back and forth??? :hopeless: :no: :hopeless: :no: :hopeless:
 
Fast LT1 said:
To be honest in my entire career in public safety and installs, i have NEVER EVER heard of a Viper failing!
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Here is a video of one of the many failed Vipers. On the blue side only 2 of the 8 leds lights and on the red only 3 of the 8. It is very common on NYPD vehicles. Hopefully the NYPD reported the problem to FedSig and it will be fixed. It seems to be a disconnect on the board between the board on the under plate. When squeezed from underneath, the dark leds will illuminate.


IMG_0240.MOV - YouTube
 
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