amccullers said:They are worth something, they still have 11 yrs of life left in them. Are you wanting to sell them? PM sent.
NPS Ranger said:Luxfer L45S is still a current production model. Just remember they have to be hydro'ed every 5 years and thrown away after 15 years. Since the date shown is 2004, they would have to be discarded after 2019 which is 8 more years.
Luxfer position concerning life extension of DOT CFFC carbon composite cylinders - Luxfer: Setting The Standard Worldwide
NPS Ranger said:Luxfer L45S is still a current production model. Just remember they have to be hydro'ed every 5 years and thrown away after 15 years. Since the date shown is 2004, they would have to be discarded after 2019 which is 8 more years.
Luxfer position concerning life extension of DOT CFFC carbon composite cylinders - Luxfer: Setting The Standard Worldwide
I use to sell MSA SCBA;s when I worked for a large distributor down south.NPS Ranger said:I may be wrong but if it's empty, it shouldn't have any shipping restrictions.
ark_firefighter said:I use to sell MSA SCBA;s when I worked for a large distributor down south.
Being the SCBA Carbon Fiber Tanks are pressurized there ARE shipping regulations with all 3 services (USPS, UPS, FedEx)
Tank must be empty prior to shipping with the valve open and the tank can only be shipped via ground ... no overnight air mail etc...
ark_firefighter said:It says your PM inbox is full ... did you happen to score some SCBA's with those bottles ?
Clarence H said:They are 30 minute 2216 PSI cylinders, they can also be filled to 3000 PSI for a little more air time.
Clarence
And put something over the outlet (cotton, foam, etc) to keep crud from going into the tank.
NPS Ranger said:Luxfer L45S is still a current production model. Just remember they have to be hydro'ed every 5 years and thrown away after 15 years.
SoloRTP said:Not quite. It is certified for the rated pressure for 15 years or until failing hydro, which ever happens first. At lower (no-certification) pressures, it has an indefinite lifespan. There are a bunch of things that you can do with a high-quality, lightweight, low-pressure tank.
NPS Ranger said:That's like saying bald tires have an indefinite lifespan, because you can use them for boat fenders on docks. Since this is an emergency equipment forum, it's reasonable to assume people are looking to buy these for use with SCBA which was their intended purpose.
After 15 years composite tanks shouldn't be re-used, as per US DOT regs, and no qualified retester will jeopardize their license by doing a hydro on them. Nobody should be refilling them off the cascade when the chief isn't watching, either. The regs are designed for YOUR safety, to reduce the chances of them blowing up suddenly when inches from your spine, or while being refilled.
Also remember that many people have been killed by 2 1/2 gallon fire extinguishers blowing up, when pressurized to the nameplate pressure of only 100 PSI. That's why they have to be hydro'ed every 5 years too. But hey, if you're qualified to over-ride the DOT, UL, ANSI, OSHA, and the manufacturer... go for it. Do people use outdated SCBA tanks for refilling tires? Sure. Do roofers use them to shoot nail guns? Sure. Do people use them for nitrous bottles on riceburners? Sure.
Do people take old extinguishers and fill them with gasoline to wash down parts? Sure. Was Darwin right? You bet.
Also remember these things all have serial numbers, just like firearms, and can be traced through test records. You or the department that disposed of them might face some legal liability if the tanks injure somebody after they were supposed to be scrapped. Me, I check the date before I refill a tank even if the fire is right in front of me. You do as you wish. :thumbsup:
NPS Ranger said:That's like saying bald tires have an indefinite lifespan, because you can use them for boat fenders on docks. Since this is an emergency equipment forum, it's reasonable to assume people are looking to buy these for use with SCBA which was their intended purpose.
After 15 years composite tanks shouldn't be re-used, as per US DOT regs, and no qualified retester will jeopardize their license by doing a hydro on them. Nobody should be refilling them off the cascade when the chief isn't watching, either. The regs are designed for YOUR safety, to reduce the chances of them blowing up suddenly when inches from your spine, or while being refilled.
Also remember that many people have been killed by 2 1/2 gallon fire extinguishers blowing up, when pressurized to the nameplate pressure of only 100 PSI. That's why they have to be hydro'ed every 5 years too. But hey, if you're qualified to over-ride the DOT, UL, ANSI, OSHA, and the manufacturer... go for it. Do people use outdated SCBA tanks for refilling tires? Sure. Do roofers use them to shoot nail guns? Sure. Do people use them for nitrous bottles on riceburners? Sure.
Do people take old extinguishers and fill them with gasoline to wash down parts? Sure. Was Darwin right? You bet.
Also remember these things all have serial numbers, just like firearms, and can be traced through test records. You or the department that disposed of them might face some legal liability if the tanks injure somebody after they were supposed to be scrapped. Me, I check the date before I refill a tank even if the fire is right in front of me. You do as you wish. :thumbsup:
No, not worth anything all. Maybe you should just send them to me But, seriously, with the relatively short life left in them, I would try to sell them cheap here or sell them locally. There may be someone here who has a low budget department that could really use them. If you don't sell them and are worried about someone getting a hold of them and getting hurt, I have seen departments drill holes in the tank, the neck, wherever they can get thru to ensure that they will no longer hold air (after all air has been let out). At the very least, it would be a nice donation to a struggling department that has MSA SCBA. And by the way, you can buy/make adapters to refill paint ball guns that have high pressure tanks off of those scba tanks also.dcsru said:LOL (being just the police, you guys are losing me in all the air pressure talk).
I just keep wondering if they are worth trying to sell?
Paramedic said:What do you think about the Quick-Fill system ? I'd personally never ever -think- of having a bottle refilled on my back.
MX7K_Collector_2010 said:one of those would be cool as hell to put in my firefighting themed room.
Already got the hose and lightbar......or should that be lightbarS. The former chief of my former FD had a D chemical extinguisher for sale during the annual rummage sale the FD had. It either sold or he put it back in the house, cause it was gone wheen I went back around
HFD eng1ine said:LOL guess i never told you, i have a survive air steel tank and pack and facepiece.
NPS Ranger said:That's like saying bald tires have an indefinite lifespan, because you can use them for boat fenders on docks. Since this is an emergency equipment forum, it's reasonable to assume people are looking to buy these for use with SCBA which was their intended purpose.
TCO said:low pressure composite bottles,there is still some life left in them for breathing air pending a new hydro test. otherwise they can be used for air tools ,cleaned for other uses such as nitro tanks for vehicles,etc . a quick search on google you can get $80-$150 per bottle. they go about $350-$450 new.. big thing is make sure when they are sold to make the seller sign a disclamer or something of another means to make them understand need for current hydro and or testing and or need to have tanks serviced/cleaned if they intend to use for other then breathing air and or tools so you cya.