FedSig New Product - 04.10.14

firefighter7017 · Apr 10, 2014

Doug said:
Toast, no. Bacon? Abso-freakin'-lutely.

And we now return to Bars & Bacon.

Please see my signature regarding the bacon comment. Bars, yes, bacon, no.

firefighter7017 · Apr 10, 2014

There's a video on the facebook page. I couldn't get the video to link, so here's a link to the page;

https://www.facebook.com/FederalSignalFR

lotsofbars · Apr 10, 2014

That's awesome, but it would look better in an Aero or Jet shell.

Doug · Apr 10, 2014

firefighter7017 said:
Please see my signature regarding the bacon comment. Bars, yes, bacon, no.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion!

Sigma Safety · Apr 10, 2014

firefighter7017 said:
There's a video on the facebook page. I couldn't get the video to link, so here's a link to the page;

https://www.facebook.com/FederalSignalFR

Whew - at least they brought their Fire booth to FDIC this year instead of their LE one! :undecided:

Sigma Safety · Apr 10, 2014

Doug said:
Seeing that picture reminds me of a FireBeam, for some reason. Any chance the SLR rotators could be programmed for multi-color in such a degree as to replicate the FireBeam with the UF7 mirror - for example, red and white light alternating? Just brainstorming.

Yes, they can. And multi-pattern too - for example; oscillating during 'calling' mode and then rotating during 'blocking' mode. The video above shows the top lightbar doing something similar to that.

If you look at about the :15 second in the video, you can see the rotators in the center of the upper bar do red when the light is facing the reflector then white when the mirror is facing forward. The SLR is orientation-sensitive so it can do different colours based on where the mirror is.

Doug · Apr 10, 2014

leftcoastmark said:
Yes, they can. And multi-pattern too - for example; oscillating during 'calling' mode and then rotating during 'blocking' mode. The video above shows the top lightbar doing something similar to that.

Actually, I'm really curious if Fed Sig can make it so specific that if the head rotates, say, half a degree, then the color would change. I realize that's a very, very tight area to make that happen...

Sigma Safety · Apr 10, 2014

Doug said:
Actually, I'm really curious if Fed Sig can make it so specific that if the head rotates, say, half a degree, then the color would change. I realize that's a very, very tight area to make that happen...

See my revised comment above.

OTFD122 · Apr 10, 2014

Interesting how things come full circle... Now that we are seeing a new take on the LED rotator type bars, I wonder if we will start to see some of the really oldschool horse-and-buggy red lanterns come back in an LED variant?

acala91 · Apr 10, 2014

leftcoastmark said:
Whew - now I can tell you...

You'll be able to configure the bar pretty much like you would have a halogen bar. The SLR rotators can go on the ends or in the middle section, and you also have options of cascade mirrors like the good old halogen days.

The SLR and the newly revised Quadraflare lightheads will be able to dual colour as well, including the QF doing steady-on white . You can have the SLR do a white sweeping motion while en route and then turn to a red rotator when at scene.

Same with the QF's - you can have them flash red/white alternating en route then go to just red flashing at scene, or have them go steady-on white if you want. The QF's have a new reflector design and new construction to make them more optically efficient .

I saw a prototype about 3 weeks ago and it's pretty impressive. The mirror (in the middle, in the case of the bar I saw) is extremely effective - there is nothing else out there (that's LED) that has that kind of flash.

Enjoy! More to come in the next few months.

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That is cool as hell, way more so than a Rotabeam Freedom. Really like this new bar.

Doug · Apr 10, 2014

CodeMan said:
cascade mirrors ! just need them in the twinsonic x pattern and it will throw to the front and rear... very nice !!

SLR TwinSonic!

HILO · Apr 10, 2014

Freedoms and the Navigator will be great on the Tahoe, Explorer, and Durango. Of course I would run a Freedom on a sedan as well, I like a big footprint.

SSgt Elmer · Apr 10, 2014

HILO said:
Freedoms and the Navigator will be great on the Tahoe, Explorer, and Durango. Of course I would run a Freedom on a sedan as well, I like a big footprint.

So do I. This is a very cool looking bar, I'm looking forward to seeing more about it.

acala91 · Apr 10, 2014

HILO said:
Freedoms and the Navigator will be great on the Tahoe, Explorer, and Durango. Of course I would run a Freedom on a sedan as well, I like a big footprint.

Freedoms look great on a sedan.

nerdly_dood · Apr 10, 2014

Here's hoping for colored domes. Looks pretty epic IMO, definitely easier on the budget than the VSLR.

TritonBoulder47 · Apr 11, 2014

Storm4200 said:
Damn it, i was hoping for a Mini Valor

Me too... That would be awesome!!!

This Navigator is pretty freakin' sweet though...

arsenal10 · Apr 11, 2014

I don't know how I feel about this...Reminds me of Code3's Javelin light bar, you can configure it with LED, strobe, and halogen. Curious how this would be controlled as well, rotators and front/rear light heads.

JazzDad · Apr 11, 2014

Humph. I think they copied the JDI Nativagor®. :ugh:

WS224 · Apr 11, 2014

Iowamedic2013 · Apr 11, 2014

WS224 said:

Umm yes please!! Amazing!!

Quentin · Apr 11, 2014

Love it but no HD?

Sigma Safety · Apr 11, 2014

A new higher-res video popped up on FS's facebook feed...

I'll see if I can get a copy of it somehow and put it on youtube so we can actually embed it here, 'cause I can't get the "video" link to work on the forum even though it says it supports FB video.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152171076753145&set=vb.205671633144&type=2&theater

Storm4200 · Apr 11, 2014

I really like it now

Quentin · Apr 11, 2014

leftcoastmark said:
A new higher-res video popped up on FS's facebook feed...

I'll see if I can get a copy of it somehow and put it on youtube so we can actually embed it here, 'cause I can't get the "video" link to work on the forum even though it says it supports FB video.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152171076753145&set=vb.205671633144&type=2&theater

Thanks you. I want to show friends but they don't have a Facebook

MEVS06 · Apr 11, 2014

A friend of mine is at FDIC. He made this video.

Sigma Safety · Apr 11, 2014

Quentin said:
Thanks you. I want to show friends but they don't have a Facebook

They should still be able to follow that link. I sent it to one of my reps and she isn't on FB either, and it worked fine for her.

Iowamedic2013 · Apr 11, 2014

That mini would he sweet with dual rotators..and I agree with a few above a mini VSLR would be awesome

CHIEFOPS · Apr 11, 2014

Finally the right idea but poor application.

Just place the SLR rotators in Aero, Jet and Streethawk bars and go from there- single color w/colored or segmented domes, mirrors, multi color rotators and clear domes, whatever.

emtanderson51 · Apr 11, 2014

If you are looking for a mini SLR just look at the new FDNY rigs. It is already available. This bar is a HOME RUN for the fire industry! I would also like to see these rotators in the Jet platform.

firefighter7017 · Apr 11, 2014

emtanderson51 said:
If you are looking for a mini SLR just look at the new FDNY rigs. It is already available. This bar is a HOME RUN for the fire industry! I would also like to see these rotators in the Jet platform.

I want to see a price before I declare it a "home run." Federal Signal has been notoriously expensive.

bluestinger90 · Apr 11, 2014

Arms, legs, kidneys, livers, or first and second born. Your choice!

Iowamedic2013 · Apr 11, 2014

I'll give my ex wife for one

emtanderson51 · Apr 11, 2014

firefighter7017 said:
I want to see a price before I declare it a "home run." Federal Signal has been notoriously expensive.

They're all "notoriously expensive". The big 3 are not marketing to you nor me. If STL or Feinex offered products like this they would also be "notoriously expensive". This bar, for fire apparatus applications IMHO is a "home run" for FS. It offers a fresh feel, is loaded with updated technology, and will be priced competitively with the Freedom series of lightbars. If it is too expensive to purchase by a volly to strap on his/her 1985 F250 I truly do not think that makes it a failure. This is why there is such a huge used market that is, in my estimation, a 5+ million dollar a year industry. Probably double or triple that.

bluestinger90 · Apr 11, 2014

Iowamedic2013 said:
I'll give my ex wife for one

1 ex wife will get you a Federal Signal Navigator... product brochure.

WS224 · Apr 12, 2014

One of the sales people told me that the bar as equipped in the video would "retail for about" $3200.

Kevin K. · Apr 12, 2014

CHIEFOPS said:
Finally the right idea but poor application.
Just place the SLR rotators in Aero, Jet and Streethawk bars and go from there- single color w/colored or segmented domes, mirrors, multi color rotators and clear domes, whatever.

Definitely the right idea, but I respectfully disagree about the poor application part. The Aero chassis is huge, and its application has pretty much shrunk to just fire apparatus and other very large commercial vehicles. The StreetHawk has been out of production for some time, and (IMO) the only way for it to return is having a much smaller lower deck, perhaps of a height just big enough to accept IMPAXX modules.

The Jet chassis is an interesting thought. I didn't think the SLRs would fit in a Jet, which is why I thought we would see them in the TurboBeam chassis. As the Navigator appears to be an updated Escape chassis, its specs and the Jet's specs are very close--the Jet is 4.7" tall whereas the Navigator is 4.5" tall, and the Nav is shorter than the Jet. The big difference is the overall profile of the bars, and I don't believe the Jet could accept QuadraFlare modules.

I agree with the sentiments that the Nav is a home run for FedSig. This is a legitimate competitor to both versions of the Freedom, and its overall design works all across the markets, from standard vehicles to commercial vehicles to fire apparatus. Well done, Federal!

Matted33 · Apr 12, 2014

Iowamedic2013 said:
That mini would he sweet with dual rotators..and I agree with a few above a mini VSLR would be awesome

Mini Vision SLR? I think they have been out since the full sized bar came out. I know the Port Authority Police use them on all there new SUVs.

CHIEFOPS · Apr 12, 2014

Kevin K. said:
Definitely the right idea, but I respectfully disagree about the poor application part. The Aero chassis is huge, and its application has pretty much shrunk to just fire apparatus and other very large commercial vehicles. The StreetHawk has been out of production for some time, and (IMO) the only way for it to return is having a much smaller lower deck, perhaps of a height just big enough to accept IMPAXX modules.

The Jet chassis is an interesting thought. I didn't think the SLRs would fit in a Jet, which is why I thought we would see them in the TurboBeam chassis. As the Navigator appears to be an updated Escape chassis, its specs and the Jet's specs are very close--the Jet is 4.7" tall whereas the Navigator is 4.5" tall, and the Nav is shorter than the Jet. The big difference is the overall profile of the bars, and I don't believe the Jet could accept QuadraFlare modules.

I agree with the sentiments that the Nav is a home run for FedSig. This is a legitimate competitor to both versions of the Freedom, and its overall design works all across the markets, from standard vehicles to commercial vehicles to fire apparatus. Well done, Federal!

Oversized for mounting on a sedan, suv or van roof, that's why the aero, jet or streethawk chassis would be better choices, or even a bar with the vision pod profile

CHIEFOPS · Apr 12, 2014

Kevin K. said:
Definitely the right idea, but I respectfully disagree about the poor application part. The Aero chassis is huge, and its application has pretty much shrunk to just fire apparatus and other very large commercial vehicles. The StreetHawk has been out of production for some time, and (IMO) the only way for it to return is having a much smaller lower deck, perhaps of a height just big enough to accept IMPAXX modules.

The Jet chassis is an interesting thought. I didn't think the SLRs would fit in a Jet, which is why I thought we would see them in the TurboBeam chassis. As the Navigator appears to be an updated Escape chassis, its specs and the Jet's specs are very close--the Jet is 4.7" tall whereas the Navigator is 4.5" tall, and the Nav is shorter than the Jet. The big difference is the overall profile of the bars, and I don't believe the Jet could accept QuadraFlare modules.

I agree with the sentiments that the Nav is a home run for FedSig. This is a legitimate competitor to both versions of the Freedom, and its overall design works all across the markets, from standard vehicles to commercial vehicles to fire apparatus. Well done, Federal!

Looks too oversized for mounting on a sedan, suv or van roof, that's why the aero, jet or streethawk chassis would be better choices, or even a bar with the vision pod profile

nerdly_dood · Apr 12, 2014

CHIEFOPS said:
Looks too oversized for mounting on a sedan, suv or van roof, that's why the aero, jet or streethawk chassis would be better choices, or even a bar with the vision pod profile

Unless it's bigger than a Twinsonic then I see no issue with putting one on a sedan.

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