NYPD package lights and sirens Outfitted by Fleet Safety NY
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anystrobe said:
the question isnt how Hatzolah gets away with it. They are permitted to have lights by NYS VTL Laws.
Its how do that whackers get away with installing $20,000 worth of lights
They get away with installing so many lights because they enjoy saving the money up to buy all of it. It's their hobby and personally I think they can do what they want. I'm a member but currently am not in service because I'm out of country but I know that every member pours their hearts into this service and what they do is amazing, so what they like to have a hobby and put a bunch of lights, I say let them be because the proper intentions are there.
PJD642
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The Suburban certainly does have 360 degree coverage...but those lights inside the back window behind the tint are wasted. Didn't even realize they were there until the closeup.
TheGatekeeper
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Very good work on those Tauruses 911EL... Quite impressive.
I suppose you don't improvise on the lights positionning ? Is there a standard ? Are you provided with schematics ?
I suppose you don't improvise on the lights positionning ? Is there a standard ? Are you provided with schematics ?
Black Hoe
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anystrobe said:
Hatzolah member POV's are covered by Section 115-C of the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Laws under the heading of Emergency Ambulance Service Vehicles.
In Brooklyn, you also have alot of POV's owned and operated by NYPD Shomrim Society members. I assume given by your location and reputation, that Fleet Safety NY has alot of customers from these groups.
NYPD Shomrim Society
wtbysix said:
The car was brought into my shop with lights and sirens. When it got to our shop we uninstalled and re-installed everything in that vehicle. We made the custom plate for the two mobiles and closed up the car. We uninstalled and re-installed because the customer had everything else installed my someone else who batched up.
PJD642 said:
Those are Whelen Slimlighters and the customer had nowhere else to put it so he put it there.
TheGatekeeper said:
We improvise the light position based on how the vehicle is built. We don't have standards for that for all cars, we position it based on type of Hideaway and where its going to flash. We are not provided with schematics, however we do sit down with the costumer and discuss where he wants his equipment mounted. based on that we make our schematics.
Thanks, for your input on the Taurus.
Manny,
TheGatekeeper
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PJD642
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911EL said:
TheGatekeeper said:
You beat me to it, Gatekeeper - simply not installing them would have been the best option. I've got a pile of lights I COULD stick on my cruiser, but I've got sufficient coverage as is, so....
911EL - I'm sure you were just doing as asked, don't take my previous comment as a slam against you. I just gotta wonder if the customer even pays attention to output versus sheer numbers.
I've got a new theory now: Hatz folks intentionally load up their vehicles with as many flashing, strobing lights as their alternator will support in order to create seizures in members of their community. This results in more runs, with more blinky lights and more seizures, and so even more runs, all with the goal of being able to demonstrate how necessary they are by saying "Look at this call volume we have!"
pdk9
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EMT-BLS said:
Yes, Highway has the tir6 slimlighters, but I've seen a bunch of unmarked NYPD CVPI's and SUV's with a GenI R/W slimlighter on the dash over the years (and some of these vehicles had 2-3 GenI slimlighters)
The thing that's been annoying me a lot lately (aside from having a seizure everytime hatzolah drives by me) is that a lot of these guys have been adding blue to their side warning...it's getting annoying how we see ppl bending the lighting laws more and more, and it reflects poorly on the rest of us...I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I started seeing hatzolah members adding blue grill lights and eventually blue modules in their forward-facing lightbars, because they just seem to do whatever they can to show up the others in their squad IMHO
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TheGatekeeper
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pdk9 said:
I think it has already happened.. There is one black Suburban on YT obviously in NYC, obviously overloaded with LEDs "à la Hatzolah", with R/B in front... I'll try to dig it up..
Don't get mad when they get collared for "impersonation" just sayin...
Like that gentleman that got collared with a car full of lights in manhattan about 2 years ago
Like that gentleman that got collared with a car full of lights in manhattan about 2 years ago
Thank you for not slamming me. I was and continue to do what I am asked to do.PJD642 said:
Many folks just enjoy when others talk about their car so that is a big reason why they load up their car with many blinking lights.
Many brooklyn members live in New Jersey where blue is permitted so they start bending the rules. Besides for that they still do what ever they want.pdk9 said:
911EL said:
As a former NJ resident and volunteer EMT, nothing pissed me off more than seeing these guys with a home in NJ but a vehicle in the driveway with NY tags and all sorts of lights. Plus using them not only to get to Hatzolah calls but some of them were also volunteers with local squads and would run to those calls with red lights and siren (illegal for vollies in NJ). Once had them try to jump a call in my district, ended up with PD almost arresting them. Personally I've never had a positive encounter with Hatzolah, and even a neutral one is a stretch.
pdk9
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Sorry to get off tangent Fleet Safety, and this is nothing against you Fleet Safety, because I think your work is very nice and you only do what is requested by the customer, but....Hatzolah is a volunteer agency, which means that it relies a lot on monetary donations...If each Hatzolah member sold 3/4 of their POV lights (which would still leave each of their vehicles with more lights than a fire truck), I think each member could use that money to donate a $hitload to their agency. Just saying.
TheGatekeeper
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pdk9 said:
Who said the donation money went to equip personal vehicles?
I think if it were to be the case, the population which benefits from Hatzolah's services would express its irritation...
pdk9 said:
Glad you think so. But these are people who drop what they're doing to take calls, so I'd say they're giving enough. Additionally, Hatzolah doesn't pay for their gas they burn on the way to calls, or the abuse the vehicles takes while being driven Code 1. It is not our place to sit back and tell other people what to donate, when we all know that if we could, we'd be doing the same thing to our vehicles. Let's face it: more blinkies, more fun.
First off, Thank you!pdk9 said:
Non of the agencies money goes to the members car. The organization has a ton of money from many different sources. They are well off.
These people have fun loading up their car and help out a ton of people at the same time. Honestly, I am jealous of their volunteer work. They are amazing!
lafd55
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It doesn't really matter which video you look at. It either has blue to the front now, or did at one point...
lafd55 said:
sure it does, if you listen to the dialogue , you will understand they are just messing around to see how it looks !
TheGatekeeper
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anystrobe said:
I agree. As much as their members' actions and volunteer work is laudable, when it comes to equip their cars it's just laughable. :weird:
So far I haven't seen a car whose install was obviously thought out. It seems to be "where there is a spot, there is a LED!" philosophy.
Look at that Nissan... Dash + headliner, overcrowded grille, deck + headliner... Not much thought put into it.
If I belonged to that community I think this kinda gear on expensive toys would somewhat affect credibility, and reflects poorly on the corps.
It makes me wonder if some of this fellas don't get into the volunteer work for the sheer purpose of installing lights on their cars !
Would be interesting to hear a "real" Hatzolah member on the subject...
TheGatekeeper said:
Hey, I do plenty of work for them and I dont take pride I in what gets put were. However, I take pride in my work, neat wiring and mostly my clientele (Who I deal with) .
I love the way you put down the philosophy!!! made me laugh hard! Thanks for this one good laugh!
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TheGatekeeper
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My comments were of course not directed at you or your outfit Manny, which you understand.
As far as I'm concerned, you guys are doing a top notch job, as I already mentioned earlier. :thumbsup: (Darn, I wish I lived in Brooklyn!!)
It's what that particular customer wants that I find is sometimes.... astounding.
But hey, Customer IS king afterall !
As far as I'm concerned, you guys are doing a top notch job, as I already mentioned earlier. :thumbsup: (Darn, I wish I lived in Brooklyn!!)
It's what that particular customer wants that I find is sometimes.... astounding.
But hey, Customer IS king afterall !
iceman4122
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1. NYPD precincts have Commanding Officers (C.O.s) not "CEOs", and while they are issued Dept credit cards, I highly doubt one would expense a light/siren install on a Dept vehicle that FSD didn't see fit to, that is not what the card is for, and the monthly limit probably isn't high enough to cover it. In fact, if a Dept vehicle that FSD didn't designate as an Emergency Response Vehicle came into the shop for service with anything more than a cigarette plugged "FBI light" it would set off alarm bells.
2. The volunteer vigilante squad known as the shomrim are not the NYPD Shomrim Society.
2. The volunteer vigilante squad known as the shomrim are not the NYPD Shomrim Society.
TheGatekeeper
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CHIEFOPS said:
Thanks for clarifying this. I looked up the NYPD Shomrim Society, and was confused about their need for emergency vehicles. After reading your post, I looked up Shomrim and generated several viable sites--one of which was the group located in Brooklyn. I'm not going to pass judgment on an entity existing because of religious beliefs or political origins; however, I am curious as to how these various groups are integrated into the emergency management and response system.
I'd imagine if their responsibilities are well-defined the entities maintain compliance with rules, regulations, laws, policies and procedures, there shouldn't be any notable issue with their existence. I get the impression that this isn't the case for the majority of these volunteer or private emergency services located throughout the NYC metro area.
Kevin K. said:
They're not. That they exist at all is because of their influence in local politics as a voting block.