joeparv has multiple CVPI questions

[TritonBoulder47]

http://elightbars.org/forums/f13/hide-away-strobes-hide-away-leds-general-meaning-placement-5858/

But sadly, that thread turned into a "requesting" thread, instead of a "display" thread as it was intended... I think we should start a new one that ONLY has pictures and descriptions of said pictures... But thats just me... lol

 

[rohmers]

i think that definitely two whelen 700s. they are the biggest and best for that car.

 

[foxtrot5]

Since it ties into my question, what is/are the best halogen/strobe grille lights for a CV with the louvered grille?

 

[TritonBoulder47]

What is your opinions on the best , brightest, or easiest install set of grille lights for a CVPI? Prob going to go with 2 so wouldn't want them to be tiny. I was thinking possibly the Weldon diamondbacks or a perimeter light such as a 3x7 or 4x6. What do yous think??

Since it ties into my question, what is/are the best halogen/strobe grille lights for a CV with the louvered grille?

If you want to go as big as possible, Id say a Whelen 600 series or a similar size...

 

[Kd8bao]

Be nice if they came out with them again. But I guess the cannons are closest to it available so far. So if I out a pair in my taillights could I just get solid red then? So it would be warning and also work as the regular brake lights do already? Or if I did the front I could do say amber for te turn signals and then have the second color white as a strobe??

Yes and yes. This version does not have dimming capabilities. The version 2 will be able to act as a dual filament bulb. So I used a set in my fog lights of white red. Steady burn white and red and white for warning. Now mind you that these are not DOT yet. They are in the process from what I have been told.

 

[foxtrot5]

If you want to go as big as possible, Id say a Whelen 600 series or a similar size...

I mocked up 2x 600s in the grille and between them and my 2x SA314 speakers, I'm concerned about airflow problems, any word on this?

 

[Dissension]

As a complete novice, I cannot speak to the effectiveness of such an arrangement, but I think this totally looks cool:





(This is not my photo; all rights are reserved by pmp205.)


Unless this particular cruiser was converted to a slicktop and removed from K-9 service, I've seen pictures of at least one other car with the same arrangement. I assume it works well enough without interfering with air flow too severely.

 

[uniden278]

Lets say, for example, I was using a set of blue/white Cannons on my '04 Taurus as a replacement for the reverse lights. Am I correct in understanding that the blue and white can be used both as warning colors, and there is also an override (for lack of better term) to make the white come on steady burn when the vehicle is in reverse?


An on a side note, anybody successfully and effectively using these on that style backup light yet?

 

[Jamey@NNE]

Lets say, for example, I was using a set of blue/white Cannons on my '04 Taurus as a replacement for the reverse lights. Am I correct in understanding that the blue and white can be used both as warning colors, and there is also an override (for lack of better term) to make the white come on steady burn when the vehicle is in reverse?

An on a side note, anybody successfully and effectively using these on that style backup light yet?

Yes you are correct. I havent installed mine in the cvpi yet.

 

[Jamey@NNE]

If I remember right that was a tomar aftermarket grille.

 

[Carlos SpicyWeiner]

Lets say, for example, I was using a set of blue/white Cannons on my '04 Taurus as a replacement for the reverse lights. Am I correct in understanding that the blue and white can be used both as warning colors, and there is also an override (for lack of better term) to make the white come on steady burn when the vehicle is in reverse?

An on a side note, anybody successfully and effectively using these on that style backup light yet?

Yes you can still use both colors as warning.


Also... the cannons can be special ordered to have one mode input be dimmer than the rest. I believe there is a $5-10 upcharge on them.

 

[Dissension]

Thanks for the information! Here's a link to the product page on Tomar's Web site.

 

[uniden278]

Yes you can still use both colors as warning.


Also... the cannons can be special ordered to have one mode input be dimmer than the rest. I believe there is a $5-10 upcharge on them.

Stupid question, but what is the benefit of that, specifically in that type of application?

 

[Carlos SpicyWeiner]

Stupid question, but what is the benefit of that, specifically in that type of application?

I won't be doing it unless requested but say you want a tail light and a brake light function out of the cannon. the only way you could do it is to have one input mode dimmed for tail light and then the other full power for brake functions.


Im sure some installers will come up with other creative functions... maybe like a low power mode for night time operations?

 

[Jamey@NNE]

Or just put in a resister which is what I was told they do to dim it.

 

[Carlos SpicyWeiner]

Or just put in a resister which is what I was told they do to dim it.

Correct.. actually.. I know which one they put on it.. Let me see if i can find a link for one. Give me a second.

 

[eng18ine]

me personally would go with something like a whelen tir6. there big and bright enought, yet small enough to not look doofy or effect airflow to the radiators. two 600's and a speaker in the middle? you might as well take the radiator out haha. that would certainly look badass. but iv actually seen a whelen 4 head dominator in the grill of a crown vic.

 

[foxtrot5]

I've got two speakers and I want grille lights... I may end up looking for 500 series-ish. Catch is they have to be strobe or halogen, preferably halogen.

 

[TritonBoulder47]

And just to be clear, I'm talking about mounthing them BEHIND the grill... Not in front of it on a push bar or anything...


A radiator doesnt need direct air flow... As long as there is circulation you shouldn't see much (if any) temperatur difference... Besides, the CVPIs get a good ammount of air ducted from underneath the car to the radiotor...


Just for refference, this is how the grill of my Avalanache used to be set-up, and I experience absolutely NO temeratur change...





And then I had a Billett Grill overlay ontop of my factory grill, which I roughly estimate gave me a 75-80% reduction is surface space for air... Which accounts for the cross bar frame, and the fact that 1/3 of the radiator is behind the bumber...





As long as you mount the lights away from the radiator, as in not right up against it, you should be good...

 

[Jamey@NNE]

4.7ohm correct?

 

[Carlos SpicyWeiner]

I believe so... i have the link to the actual one feniex gets from a supplier but I think it is at home. I'll look tonight when i get home from K-9 training.

 

[Jamey@NNE]

Ya Ive been using them for years for the same thing and keep them and diodes at the shop.

 

[foxtrot5]

Awesome, thanks for the info!

 

[spc2315]

When I had my 2005 Cvpi I hade many setups for the grill. First were 2 tir6s, then 2 lin6s, then 4 tir3s and finally 2 ions. By far the ions were my favorite. Slimline and pack a bright punch. I used the standard 500 series Cvpi mounts with the ion swivel bracket to make them work perfectly. Only thing I would've done differently was double stack 2 ions on either side to have a brighter, bigger footprint!

 

[Carlos SpicyWeiner]

When I had my 2005 Cvpi I hade many setups for the grill. First were 2 tir6s, then 2 lin6s, then 4 tir3s and finally 2 ions. By far the ions were my favorite. Slimline and pack a bright punch. I used the standard 500 series Cvpi mounts with the ion swivel bracket to make them work perfectly. Only thing I would've done differently was double stack 2 ions on either side to have a brighter, bigger footprint!

I want to quad stack Feniex T-6s for that exact reason. :crazy:

 

[foxtrot5]

As much as I'd love to use IONs or a similar sized LED product, I'm determined to do this build using only halogen/strobe lights.

 

[Jamey@NNE]

Right now i have 2 d-44 speakers and 2 rigid dully d2's infront of the grille on the cvpi and dont have any problems at highway speed, city driving and I even am known to leave it infront of the shop running for hours with a/c full blast.


Im really debating ordering a set of duallys in red and blue.......

 

[CHIEFOPS]

It's unbelievable how so many of you overthink this stuff to the point of absurdity, they all do the same thing- they blink, just get 2 or 4 lights of reasonable size and mount them

 

[Carlos SpicyWeiner]

It's unbelievable how so many of you overthink this stuff to the point of absurdity, they all do the same thing- they blink, just get 2 or 4 lights of reasonable size and mount them

God forbid someone wants to see if someone has any neat new ideas or has run into any issues before they shell out their hard earned money.


I think most of us come here to discuss things like this. Most dealers are more than willing to help someone who might need a little input because well...... That's our job.

 

[CHIEFOPS]

"neat new ideas" for a 15 year old car/grill setup? There are a few hundred different halogen, strobe and LED lights suitable for grill mounting, and there's just one best/brightest/easiest to install?


Here's a tip- decide which technology, what color, how many, and budget, then buy whatever meets those criteria, they all do the same thing.

 

[Knight347]

All this old school material and not one mention of a Federal Signal Cuda.

 

[foxtrot5]

It's unbelievable how so many of you overthink this stuff to the point of absurdity, they all do the same thing- they blink, just get 2 or 4 lights of reasonable size and mount them

"neat new ideas" for a 15 year old car/grill setup? There are a few hundred different halogen, strobe and LED lights suitable for grill mounting, and there's just one best/brightest/easiest to install?

Here's a tip- decide which technology, what color, how many, and budget, then buy whatever meets those criteria, they all do the same thing.

Holy hell, calm down. I'm asking for input on a project to make sure that my investment is capable of doing what I want it to do without having any adverse effects on my vehicle. I have specific ideas in mind for how I want things done (technology, check) and if they won't interfere with vehicle systems I want two big lights (how many, check), SC only allows me to run Red, White, or Amber so I picked Red (color, check), and budget is dependent on what kind of lights I select (budget, check).


We're all aware that when it really boils down to it, all of our lights display either a flashing or steady visible signal to other drivers but with the massive discussion on flashpatterns, flash rates, light placement, and other factors there are obviously many many ways to "blink" them.


You signed up for a forum dedicated to emergency lights and sirens. If you're only here for the sirens, then stick to "Audible Warning Equipment" where things only blink to indicate an error with the system. You're in "Visual Warning Equipment" where things blink at different rates and at different patterns, deal with it.

 

[CHIEFOPS]

So, from my observation and recommendation, you concluded I'm not calm? And what exactly do I need to deal with?

 

[Storm4200]

so, back to the lights...


i like the Whelen M4s, M6s, or M7s behind the grill, on the grill, or preferably, on a push bumper of the CVPI. You cant go wrong with any of those.


i know strobe and halogen were mentioned before, i just dont see the point. i would hands down put a set of LED grill lights in a CVPI.

 

[foxtrot5]

So, from my observation and recommendation, you concluded I'm not calm? And what exactly do I need to deal with?

You appear aggrivated that we are discussing options on grille lights for a common model vehicle normally used for police work. You need to deal with us having this discussion.

so, back to the lights...

i like the Whelen M4s, M6s, or M7s behind the grill, on the grill, or preferably, on a push bumper of the CVPI. You cant go wrong with any of those.


i know strobe and halogen were mentioned before, i just dont see the point. i would hands down put a set of LED grill lights in a CVPI.

My project is to prove to myself and several members of my FD that a proper strobe/halogen (read: low budget) install can be just as or more effective then some of the LED setups I've seen out there.

 

[zacmtz7]

M7's with clear lenses! That's what I rock and love them.

 

[CHIEFOPS]

You appear aggrivated that we are discussing options on grille lights for a common model vehicle normally used for police work. You need to deal with us having this discussion.



My project is to prove to myself and several members of my FD that a proper strobe/halogen (read: low budget) install can be just as or more effective then some of the LED setups I've seen out there.

I don't know how you concluded I'm aggravated, I simply made an observation. I'm also still trying to understand what "you need to deal with...." means, it suggests something silly in concept. And since you clearly didn't comprehend my comment, I acknowledged strobe and halogen lights as suitable warning equipment for your project.

 

[foxtrot5]

I don't know how you concluded I'm aggravated, I simply made an observation. I'm also still trying to understand what "you need to deal with...." means, it suggests something silly in concept. And since you clearly didn't comprehend my comment, I acknowledged strobe and halogen lights as suitable warning equipment for your project.

The second part of my comment was not directed at you. The first part, well you came accross (to me) as aggrivated that we were discussing emergency warning lights on an emergency warning light forum. If that was not the case, then my bad. I'm sorry.

 

[pdk9]

I love tomar but I don't like their custom grill. I also love large lightheads, but I think they tend to look a little awk in some sedan grills (when they essentially take up the whole grill)


Personally, I would go with 2 solid color TIR6 or 2 solid color tomar rect 37 LED behind a honey comb grill. They both offer solid size footprints for the vics, IMO, with plenty of penetration thru the grill

 

[Dissension]

Given foxtrot5's looking to use only strobe or halogen lights, I don't think led lightheads will suit his needs.