emtanderson51 said:I have to completely disagree with this statement...sorry
Which part Steve? The fancy stuff or the over priced part?!
The All New Whelen Legacy...
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Which part Steve? The fancy stuff or the over priced part?!
Keep in mind that the majority of sales for emergency warning companies are to large fleets (state patrols, LAPD, NYPD, etc.) . While these tend to be lower margin sales, they are important and are big revenue generators for the manufacturers, generally speaking (some exceptions where manufacturers go it at a loss to get a "reference" client, like CHP).
If you have a bar that is fairly unique, like the Vision, for example where FS has a patent on the shape, it's easily "spec-able" on a bid document. The same goes with bar height. If a manufacturer works with a customer to get their stuff in to the department, but then it has to go to bid, the customer can spec the bid to say "bar must not be more than 1.9" high", for example. That eliminate the Liberty and Legend, and a number of other bars.
Ford is really pushing the AWD feature in their sedan, and one reason is because no one else has an AWD pursuit-"certified" sedan out there. They did the same with their Crown Vic with their 75mph crash test rating. Dodge is bringing out an AWD version of their police Charger next year, so they'll be able to bid on those tenders that require a sedan with AWD capabilities.
So, if you have a bar (or any other product) that has a unique feature, it's very "spec-able" on a bid and you have an immediate advantage (and can often hold more margin because you're the only compliant bidder). Often, little features on lightbars and other products are designed into a product for exactly that reason - it wins bids. It wouldn't surprise me if Whelen is designing a "boring" bar that's thinner, just so they can spec it on bids.
If you have a bar that is fairly unique, like the Vision, for example where FS has a patent on the shape, it's easily "spec-able" on a bid document. The same goes with bar height. If a manufacturer works with a customer to get their stuff in to the department, but then it has to go to bid, the customer can spec the bid to say "bar must not be more than 1.9" high", for example. That eliminate the Liberty and Legend, and a number of other bars.
Ford is really pushing the AWD feature in their sedan, and one reason is because no one else has an AWD pursuit-"certified" sedan out there. They did the same with their Crown Vic with their 75mph crash test rating. Dodge is bringing out an AWD version of their police Charger next year, so they'll be able to bid on those tenders that require a sedan with AWD capabilities.
So, if you have a bar (or any other product) that has a unique feature, it's very "spec-able" on a bid and you have an immediate advantage (and can often hold more margin because you're the only compliant bidder). Often, little features on lightbars and other products are designed into a product for exactly that reason - it wins bids. It wouldn't surprise me if Whelen is designing a "boring" bar that's thinner, just so they can spec it on bids.
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Not bad. Not bad at all. Looking at the screencap, it appears that there are fourteen directional lightheads, not counting the corner modules. Hopefully, Whelen will release prices at the show this weekend.
I do not care for that at all. Thin bars offer no advantage over a liberty or valor. Maybe colored lenses would help it, but as previously mentioned, it looks like cheap Chinese junk. Boo for whelen for not coming out with something innovative.
HILO said:
Something to keep in mind when comparing the "thin-ness" of the Legacy to that of the Liberty. The Liberty series lightbar had a lot of wasted space inside from both top to bottom and from left to right. The over-all height of the actual light source of this lightbar is almost identical to that of the Liberty. They just took out the wasted space that prduces NO light what-so-ever. So technically speaking, from a distance, when illuminated, there is no difference in light output "height". The difference in intensity however is more than dramatic.
Still seems to be rather "wide", no power supplies inside or such,
Couldn't they have cut down on the width?
Couldn't they have cut down on the width?
Are there going to be two different versions of this? On Facebook, there's a mention of the Whelen Revolution in addtion to the Legacy. Perhaps "Revolution" is the new name for the Delta, but this question was posed with a picture of a wrapped lightbar that looks like the Legacy.
Kevin K. said:
As previously mentioned, Whelen is going to be debuting 3 new lightbars and some other various new equipment (such as a new style of Pioners) at IACP 2012.
Outsider said:
In some respects I'd have to disagree with you. While you are correct that the liberty series bars have a small area of actual light production, the way that light was directed and reflected made a big difference in how it appeared.
If IACP is anything like the FD trade shows, they probably had some special, invitation only thing where the unveiled it.
So, where is this big reveal/debut? IACP is wrapping up for the day on the west coast and there is still no info to be found.
Still waiting. No updates on Whelen's twitter, facebook or youtube pages so far this morning...Jman423 said:
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Good god, you sound like my ex-girlfriend...
But in this case I don't blame you. I want to see what the bar can do too!
Damn you guys are fast!!
I'm digging the duo color. I'd really like to see this thing in the daylight for some TRUE evaluation.
I'm digging the duo color. I'd really like to see this thing in the daylight for some TRUE evaluation.
firefighter7017 said:
Being multi color capable Im sure it will be a lot more expensive then the Justice. I could be wrong, but thats my guess. And Im sure thats going to be a WeCan bar. Multiple programming options.
twodogs603 said:
Whelen has a "brochure" on their website now stating it will be available as a WeCan bar and lists other features as well.
twodogs603 said:
Price point did not even occur to me. I was simply thinking about TIR optics being in both bars. With that being said, I'm sure they will offer single color options that will cost significantly less.
The Legacy is okay, nothing earth-shattering. If anything, I'm wondering if it'll cut into Liberty sales. The Delta is definitely interesting, but most likely a very expensive lightbar. Perhaps Whelen will offer the rotating LED towers in a single-level bar for a lower-cost option.
Didn't see anything about the Revolution. I'm assuming that hasn't been revealed yet?
Didn't see anything about the Revolution. I'm assuming that hasn't been revealed yet?
Do you guys think that, with those new bars are they (Whelen) going to discontinue the liberty or the freedom lines?
Quentin said:
Quentin my man, you are a few hours late to this party haha. The video has been posted twice already on page 5.