The Worst Response Video Thread
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Quickstep80 said:
Local protocol is to respond lights and sirens to every medical call. Sometimes the FD will arrive on scene first and downgrade the rescue (what we call an ambulance down here) to nonemergency if it's a BS call, but aside from that everything is an emergency response.
Quickstep80 said:
Interesting that you bring that up because we just had a call go out for some one that fell 1 day prior and thinks they have a concussion.1st responder arrives on scene and determines that it is a drug over dose. our protocol is to respond l/s until we are specifically downgraded.
embe78 said:
That's more or less how we operate also. Remember, ambulances are for "medical emergencies" and we respond as such. How we proceed to the hospital is determined by what we find on-scene.
Just a quick outline about our system... We also use a priority system (AMPDS = advanced medical priority dispatch system).
Medical events are categorized accordingly:
* Urgent Patient Transport (Alpha-Code): immediate response by BLS ambulance, no l/s. No life-threatening condition to be expected.
* Emergency (Bravo-Code): response by emergency ambulance (l/s), but no doctor. Patient's condition may be serious, however not immediately life-threatening.
* Critical Emergency (Charlie-Code): doctor's response (l/s) required - either physician-staffed ALS ambulance or regular ambulance plus doctor fly car.
* Life-Threatening Situation (Delta-/Echo-Codes): doctor's response required (see above), helicopter may be dispatched.
So that "third day of back pain" won't lead to a beta-code at all, I guess - and therefor the ambulance won't respond with lights and siren.
Medical events are categorized accordingly:
* Urgent Patient Transport (Alpha-Code): immediate response by BLS ambulance, no l/s. No life-threatening condition to be expected.
* Emergency (Bravo-Code): response by emergency ambulance (l/s), but no doctor. Patient's condition may be serious, however not immediately life-threatening.
* Critical Emergency (Charlie-Code): doctor's response (l/s) required - either physician-staffed ALS ambulance or regular ambulance plus doctor fly car.
* Life-Threatening Situation (Delta-/Echo-Codes): doctor's response required (see above), helicopter may be dispatched.
So that "third day of back pain" won't lead to a beta-code at all, I guess - and therefor the ambulance won't respond with lights and siren.
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I may have posted this on the site a while ago, but I may as well post it again. I took this video while riding Ofc. seat in my school company's Rescue. There are certain people that I never liked riding with, because I didn't feel they drove safely. While the driving itself in this video wasn't as bad as it's been, it's a perfect example of tunnel vision. This particular member always gets like this, completely forgetting that he's just laying on the Q and horns. All I was controlling was the Code 3 electronic, changing it up in hopes it would cancel out the ineffectiveness of the constant tone from the other two. At about 7:50, you can hear the guy in the back yell something sarcastic to me about the Q, as he thought I was the one controlling it. Unfortunately, nothing ever happened when we brought up the driving habits of some of the younger members, because they were all the ones who'd been there since they were babies because their grandfathers and fathers were members...
Rofocowboy84 said:
I'm sorry I cannot watch that whole thing.. WTF is wrong with him? I mean.. 99% of the peak and hold (both Q and air horn) is NOT required.. Does he expect the GRASS to yield to him or something?!?
The ONLY place I thought it was half necessary was when he was coming into the construction zone before the right turn.. Mind you less peak would of been just as effective..
Move the Q and air horn control away from the driver. Jeeze.
unlisted said:
I was thinking the same thing, but he's the type that you can't correct. Also, I agree to a point about moving the controls from the driver, when I'm driving, I'd rather be in control of them. I'm of the opinion that most people are stupid, and when it comes to things like that, I'd rather not give them control. It's like the paperwork at my job, I'd rather not do it, but I don't trust my coworkers to do it right....
Rofocowboy84 said:
get your wife/cousin/babysitter to complain to the town/city about the EXCESSIVE noise when the fire trucks come through, ideally get them to record the peak and hold (with airhorn) when clearly not required.. ie: down a empty residential street..
.. or drop the dime on him to a local news company..
First of all, 1,000th post!
Secondly, it's not really worth it any more. I haven't been active with that company for a few years. For the most part he was fine about not using it when there's not much traffic, or at night, but sometimes a couple of the guys would get like this....
Secondly, it's not really worth it any more. I haven't been active with that company for a few years. For the most part he was fine about not using it when there's not much traffic, or at night, but sometimes a couple of the guys would get like this....
Up until about 1:30 or so, I was thinking "eh, this isn't THAT bad..." And then it just kept going on and on and on. Good grief that hurts to listen to on youtube let alone riding in that apparatus.
Rofocowboy84 said:
I couldn't watch the entire thing either. That was terrible. Were your ears bleeding? Someone needs to say something to that guy. And I thought my Chief was bad
At 0:43 it looked like they forced that silver vehicle to go up on the median.... And the very begining of the video it looked like they were going way to fast (in the opposing lane) for the weather conditions..
I wish we'd just put the cameras away and concentrate on safety.
I'd love to have heard the officer sound off on his concerns while the truck is in motion. In the least there should have been some communications regarding intersection clearance.
We recently took out Q control from the driver and I don't think we ever reached the point observed in that video!
I'd love to have heard the officer sound off on his concerns while the truck is in motion. In the least there should have been some communications regarding intersection clearance.
We recently took out Q control from the driver and I don't think we ever reached the point observed in that video!
Coming from the Marine Corps infantry after action critique is major so I like videos for that simple reason.
As for air horn jonny he's a fool and needs to go back through a beginners emergency driving course.
The q is drowning out everything else for the other motorist. He's not letting off it so it's actually not doing any good. I think he just can't handle doing 2 things with his feet (unless you use switches on the dash) as for the air horn he doesn't need it really at all there wasn't but 1 intersection that he should have cleared (and didnt) in the time I watched it (made it all of 45 seconds in because I was sure the q was about to make my dog cry).
Simple few taps of the q is all that was needed and maintaining the fast lane. He was all over the road and at one point was driving centered on the lane line.
He should be suspended from driving or have remedial time with an officer to correct his issues.
I love the q and air horns they work well for intersections a few quick taps of the switch and a blast and move through. He will get someone hurt if he doesn't learn proper driving. Blasting through intersections rural or city will catch up with you.
As for air horn jonny he's a fool and needs to go back through a beginners emergency driving course.
The q is drowning out everything else for the other motorist. He's not letting off it so it's actually not doing any good. I think he just can't handle doing 2 things with his feet (unless you use switches on the dash) as for the air horn he doesn't need it really at all there wasn't but 1 intersection that he should have cleared (and didnt) in the time I watched it (made it all of 45 seconds in because I was sure the q was about to make my dog cry).
Simple few taps of the q is all that was needed and maintaining the fast lane. He was all over the road and at one point was driving centered on the lane line.
He should be suspended from driving or have remedial time with an officer to correct his issues.
I love the q and air horns they work well for intersections a few quick taps of the switch and a blast and move through. He will get someone hurt if he doesn't learn proper driving. Blasting through intersections rural or city will catch up with you.
Being second due at a vehicle fire and driving like an idiot is not worth it. It is just a vehicle. I couldn't believe the way he split the oncoming traffic. I can imagine the things those drivers in those oncoming vehiles told other people.......
In many instances, there is a direct correlation to the amount of time the Q is wound out and how fast/stupid/retardedly the apparatus is driven.
FDNY manges to respond through one of the most populated cities in the US with a couple of blips from an electric siren and a blast or two from the air horn. It almost seems like these crackerjacks are pushing the accelerator and the Q at the same time and at the same pressure.
NC lawdog said:
Kind of makes you wonder if the Q foot switch is mounted directly under the accelerator pedal. :weird: :duh:
opcorn:
Ok, I'll bite re: the PA video
Didn't watch the whole thing...however I'd say that posting the video and commenting that your job was to change the electronic siren tones and capturing the video - I'd be concerned that that was your concern sitting in the officers seat.
The Q siren is well....pretty damn loud and is attention getting more than solid bumped mounted electric sirens with their directional sound pattern.
For the most part all we use is the Q with the air horns. The officer side has foot pedals for both and the driver has controls on the if needed on his side. We want the driver paying attention to the road and not the radio, MDT, maps or the siren. As the officer - should be concentrating on the route, over the air size up, ability of the driver, communication with the driver and crew.
Unofficially if we use both, the Q is going and leave the siren on yelp. Problem solved.
At night the electronic siren with the use of the foot pedal on manual thru neighborhoods is a good thing.
Daytime on a main road (as pictured) with a screaming Q isn't all that bad.
Coming on here from sitting on the officers seat, I hope that you had a conversation with the driver and/or a member of the command staff if the actions were really all that bad.
Didn't watch the whole thing...however I'd say that posting the video and commenting that your job was to change the electronic siren tones and capturing the video - I'd be concerned that that was your concern sitting in the officers seat.
The Q siren is well....pretty damn loud and is attention getting more than solid bumped mounted electric sirens with their directional sound pattern.
For the most part all we use is the Q with the air horns. The officer side has foot pedals for both and the driver has controls on the if needed on his side. We want the driver paying attention to the road and not the radio, MDT, maps or the siren. As the officer - should be concentrating on the route, over the air size up, ability of the driver, communication with the driver and crew.
Unofficially if we use both, the Q is going and leave the siren on yelp. Problem solved.
At night the electronic siren with the use of the foot pedal on manual thru neighborhoods is a good thing.
Daytime on a main road (as pictured) with a screaming Q isn't all that bad.
Coming on here from sitting on the officers seat, I hope that you had a conversation with the driver and/or a member of the command staff if the actions were really all that bad.
acala91 said:
What annoys me most about that video, was the way they thought it was "cool" to ruin the Q
acala91 said:
Driver needs to keep both hands on the wheel, turn around so his eyes are looking forward, and shut up. I highly doubt homeboy in the back is seat belted and he should be considering the red lights they are blowing through. We have two pedals on the officers side of our truck, one for the Q one for the air horn. The driver has an air horn pedal on his side, but it is rarely used. They should be concentrating on the road and getting the crew there safely, not playing with the siren. Want to play with the siren? Sit in the officers seat.
PJH said:
Well, let's see...going out of our first due to an incident that was already established, we already knew what our job was (hydrant), driver knew the route, and there really wasn't anything to say to the crew. Also, you're dead wrong if you think there was nothing wrong with that Q usage. I agree during the day you can make as much noise as you want, but a Q isn't effective unless it's winding up and down, nor are the horns effective unless you contrast the loud noise with silence...
Also, I never said my job was "capturing the video". I took video when I had the chance, and a call like this, I could. Granted, if we were first due on a well off dwelling with entrapment, the last thing on my mind would be taking video...
acala91 said:
Homeboy drivin wasn't even belted in. FAIL! I am going to bet no one in that engine was belted in. Even if we run across the street from our station I put it on. Its protocol for our department and in any township owned vehicle all that everyone must be belted in. Just wear them guys!